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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 00:48 BST (UK) »
Another possible but different to Birtsall,  line you could follow up is in link

If this is your William then remarried before 1817 to Mrs Mary Hall

Listed in the 1817 Baines Directory of Leeds is William HALL, hatter and woolstapler and agent to the London Union Fire Office, at 91 Briggate. There is also Mary HALL,straw hat maker, of the same address.
Would it have been necessary for William to have to undertake an apprenticeship as a hatter or woolstapler in order to trade? If so, where would I be likely to find records of these apprenticeships?




http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-YKS-LEEDS/2009-01/1232572673
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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 09:57 BST (UK) »
Goodness me, that is some amount of information to digest!

Unless he was living elsewhere, I believe that William Hall (father of Thomas Henry) was already deceased by the time of the 1851 Census. As someone pointed out earlier, Mary is shown as living with her son Thomas Henry at 9 Victoria Street, Bradford at this time, with Mary as head of the house.
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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 11:00 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm going to our library, as they have Birstall PR's and have a look at this baptism 1844 of Thomas Henry Hall son of William & Mary- There maybe an index book as for William's death year and age at death before 1851c Also look for other siblings that may have been baptised at the same time as Tom Henry.

Birstall mother church St Peter with chapelries of other village parish's that have abodes near or cross border close to Leeds hamlets of Morley, Pudsey (between Bradford and Leeds) and a few others.

As to William and Mary's Hall nee maiden name unknown~ Marriage~~~ Born/bapt Catterick ? Tall order that one!!! being pre GRO 1837 or 1841c nothing as a clue only Catterick birth place for Mary.

We'll see what turns up.

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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 11:28 BST (UK) »
Baptism, St Peter, Birstall

26 May 1844

Thomas Henry, born April 5 1824, son of William (a wool stapler) and Mary HALL, of Leeds.



This is very clearly entered in the register of baptisms, in the proper chronological place for May 1844, and there is no reason to think there is an error. There are no siblings baptised at the same time.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 16:39 BST (UK) »
Beginning to wish my surname was something a little more unusual than HALL! Thank you for help and offers of help. I know that about 50 years ago a relative of mine tried to do the family tree and from what I am told, hit the brick wall on William Hall too.
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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 19:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
 Just to add to the above Tom Henry born 1824 Bapt 1844 info Page 26 ~entry 201 ~St Peter Birstall

~vicar~WM Heald

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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,447837.10.html
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St Bartholomew ~Leeds Chapelry of Armley Burials 1877~page 3 ~entry 23
Thomas Henry Hall ~ age 53 ~ Feb 24 th 1877 ~Abode Manchester ~ curate:- Upton Wooler or Woolar

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1841 c Kirgate Otley

Thomas Henry Hall age 15 apprentice (grocer ?)born Yorkshire

Living in same building as William Foster  age 50 (5 year rounf off)
                                          Soppie Foster age 50  (5 year rounf off)

Plus silbling as other post.
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1851c ( Victoria St Manningham Bradford

Mary Hall widow age 53 born Cotterick

Thomas Henry son age 26 unmarried ~Cashier in Timber Hall born Leeds (Thomas Henry was a Cashier on his
 marriage register 1853)






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1861c

5 Back Province st Leeds
Mary Hall widow (Head) age 73 House keeper born Ireland
Family lodging with her

Robert Slinger aged 29 married
Elizabeth Slinger aged 32 married

Plus their siblings

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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 19:58 BST (UK) »
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 03 July 12 20:18 BST (UK) »
Just spotted this

1861c  14 Salem Street

    Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks   
    HALL   Thomas Hy   Head   M   M   36   Wholesale Teas,Oils Emp 1 Man    Yorkshire - Leeds       
    HALL   Eliza   Wife   M   F   32       Yorkshire - Armley       
    HALL   Charles Hy   Son   -   M   7   Scholar    Yorkshire - Bradford       
    HALL   Emily   Dau   -   F   4   Scholar    Yorkshire - Bradford       
    HALL   Fredrick Wm   Son   -   M   2       Yorkshire - Bradford       
    WALKER   Mary Ann   Servnt   U   F   18   House Servant    Yorkshire - Pateley Bridge



 

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1861c 8 Salem Street

    Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks   
    TAYLOR   George   Head   M   M   29   Joiner    Yorkshire - Bradford       
    TAYLOR   Ellen Walton   Wife   M   F   25       Yorkshire - Huddersfield       
    TAYLOR   Thomas   Son   -   M   6   Scholar    Yorkshire - Bradford       
    TAYLOR   Emeline   Dau   -   F   5   Scholar    Yorkshire - Bradford       
 Page: 51/32   TAYLOR   Julia   Dau   -   F   2       Yorkshire - Bradford       
    TAYLOR   Herbert W   Son   -   M   10m       Yorkshire - Bradford       
    KAYE   Sarah   Ma-Law   M   F   60   On A Visit    Lancashire - Manchester   


Groom's Name: William Hall 

Bride's Name: Mary Taylor 
Marriage Date: 03 Jan 1812
 
Marriage Place: Saint Peter,Leeds,York,England 

 
Mary Taylor
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
 christening: 24 Oct 1787 Catterick,​ York,​ England
residence:  Catterick,​ York,​ England
 parents: Philip Taylor,​ Mary Taylor
 
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Re: Birth parents of Thomas Henry Hall b. 5 Apr 1824
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 July 12 08:29 BST (UK) »
Amazing information and thank you very much for going to so much trouble. The proximity of the Taylor and Hall families in Salem Street is definitely a vital piece of information that would appear to suggest that is source of the William and Mary union. Once again, thank you.

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