Can you live in the TOWN HALL?

[Radcliff]

This family are in All Saints parish in 1861
6 Home Cellars Ballast Hills Byker

[Radcliff]

One for a James Giblin and Mary Daly,
Newcastle Upon Tyne 1854

worth looking at



And if Michael D, is around he will be able to tell us I am sure ,the history of the cellars this family are living in on the census,are they under the town hall

[Radcliff]

I do hope Michael D is around as he may be able to shed some light on Ballast Hills,were these cellars under the town Hall,as in the census I have posted,

[Trai]

Hi,
 been looking at the 1871  Garths Heads Ragged and Industrial School cencus.

The Mary Giblin on there was born 1859 ( my mary could have got her age wrong  on marrage certificate , then got it wrong on every cencus after -  )
I think it says birth place Yorkshire.

The Catherine  Giblin is born 1863 Newcastle upon Tyne   ( right age and place but wrong name )



DAYS BUILDINGs -Newcastle 1871 cencus - again this mary is born  1859 - father james  ( I suppose John could also be called Jack - know by other ancestors what name they were born with wasnt always what they were know by)


looked up all giblins born on the birth index - non before 1850 -  Hackstaples post about Irish link  could be right  -  


Radcliff - I like the idea of Mary living in a cellar under the Town Hall - non of my ancestors have done anything interesting yet 


Trai

  

[Hackstaple]

On the marriage certificate that you have - did both parties sign? I am thinking about literacy.

Who were the witnesses? -sometimes useful.

I mention literacy because illiteracy was a frequent cause of altered surnames. For example, Giblin, in an Irish accent might sound to a Geordie ear [or mine] as Giplin or even Kipling. Clerks , census takers and vicars put down what they heard if they were new to an area or parish.

My own fairly simple surname pops up in one area of Gloucestershire, Herefordshire and Monmouthshire in 5 different spellings - the same family. Certificates had crosses for signatures in several cases.

[Trai]

 On the marriage certificate neither parties signed  and neither did their one witness -Ann Scott ( I havent traced her to my g grandfathers side , so know idea who she was )

[Hackstaple]

Then, Trai, I think we have found the cause of the problem. The surname went through various written forms as it was pronounced [or heard]. Rootschat has a thousand such tales.

[Trai]

Im going to send off for my grandads birth certificate and see how  his mothers maiden name is spelt on that -


Thank you to everyone for your help


Trai

[Redroger]

A little late, but this is not uncommon. The Mansion House (Town Hall) Doncaster has a flat lived in to this day by staff. Previously and within living memory (I think) the Mayor and family lived in the Mansion House for their year of office.