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Illegitimate Child
« on: Tuesday 26 June 12 05:03 BST (UK) »
Hi
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start looking for a possible illegitimate baby?

Agnes Faulds Wilson Brown was born in Govan, Glasgow in 1918.  It seems possible that she had an illegitmate baby born sometime prior to 1944 but where to look?

Scotsland People throws up SO many possibilities that it would cost far too much to explore especially when this is only a guess on our part, albeit a guess by a number of family members independently.

If anyone has any suggestions we'd love to hear them.  There is definitely a 'family secret' and it seems it was probably a child from what hasn't been said.

Nothing like being sure about things is there? ;)

Deanne
Hanchant/Hanchett: Herts, Essex (all counties as all related)
Hanchant, Gillespie, Williams : South Africa
Nichols: Norfolk
Middleton: Kent
Little: Gloucestershire
Lander: Glasgow
Brown: Glasgow
Collison: Ireland
Meeres, Burke : Canada
Bagnell:

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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 19:05 BST (UK) »
When did she marry?

Why do you think she may have had a child before her marriage?

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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 June 12 20:41 BST (UK) »
Visiting the <a href="http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/BirthDeathMarriage_Citizenship/GenealogyCentre/">Genealogy Centre</a> in Glasgow or <a href="http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/">ScotlandsPeople Centre</a> in Edinburgh may be the best option for this search

I imagine such a random search may take the best part of a visit to complete

At least you would be able to check out all the ones you found online



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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 01:04 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately we are in Australia so we can't visit the Centres otherwise that's exactly what we would do. 

Deanne
Hanchant/Hanchett: Herts, Essex (all counties as all related)
Hanchant, Gillespie, Williams : South Africa
Nichols: Norfolk
Middleton: Kent
Little: Gloucestershire
Lander: Glasgow
Brown: Glasgow
Collison: Ireland
Meeres, Burke : Canada
Bagnell:


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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 01:10 BST (UK) »
We believe that there was a child because there is a 'family secret'.  We have looked at all sorts of possibilities for this ie an intellectually disabled brother but that is well known.

Her sister in law (who was quite upfront) didn't know anything that might be hidden but she was surprised that when we went back to Glasgow in 2002 that Agnes had told us she didn't remember lots of addresses (and there was nothing wrong with her memory) and that there was no one left there, even though we found out later there were some cousins she was in contact with near to one of the only two addresses she did give us.

Further, her 1st cousin and great friend also indicated to her daughters that there was a 'secret' and seemed to indicate that it centred around Agnes and would not be drawn.  The daughters now in their 70's believed more from what wasn't said that it was a child.

So, we could all be wrong BUT we arrived at this conclusion from a number of little things and therefore would like to have a go at proving or disproving it.

She married in 1942 (I think, certainly early 40's and my mother in law was the only child born in 1945)
Hanchant/Hanchett: Herts, Essex (all counties as all related)
Hanchant, Gillespie, Williams : South Africa
Nichols: Norfolk
Middleton: Kent
Little: Gloucestershire
Lander: Glasgow
Brown: Glasgow
Collison: Ireland
Meeres, Burke : Canada
Bagnell:

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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 07:40 BST (UK) »
Hi ,

Scotlandspeople has a marriage for an Agnes Faulds W Brown 1943 , Lanark

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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 08:04 BST (UK) »
Hi

Someone with more experience of scotlandspeople than me might tell me I am wrong.

If you go into the births section put Faulds into the surname leave christian name blank search for dates 1930- 1944   put Lanark into county. go into advanced search type agnes into the box click search you only get 4 hits might be worth a look.

Keep in mind that you will not get images to look at you would have to order certs (100 year rule)

Yours Aye
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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 08:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you Bruce and Ev.

Yes, 1943 would be the right marriage. 

I'll try look at those births Bruce, happy to order some certs if they will help solve this. 

Deanne
Hanchant/Hanchett: Herts, Essex (all counties as all related)
Hanchant, Gillespie, Williams : South Africa
Nichols: Norfolk
Middleton: Kent
Little: Gloucestershire
Lander: Glasgow
Brown: Glasgow
Collison: Ireland
Meeres, Burke : Canada
Bagnell:

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Re: Illegitimate Child
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 June 12 09:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

If Agnes did have a child prior to marriage the said child might have been fostered out to someone and still have the surname Brown.
About three years ago we found out that my mother in law had a daughter born in 1944 in Glasgow (from what we can gather my mother in law was forced by her family to give my sister in law away). My sister in law was raised by another lady but her surname was never changed.

I noticed on GRU that you and one other person have a tree which has an Agnes Brown born 1918 in Glasgow, I dont know if the other person is related to you but if they are not, it is worth getting in contact with them to see if it is the same Agnes.
Bramwell -  Derbyshire and Bolton
Pottinger -  Gloucestershire, Berkshire
James- Gloucestershire
Rawley, Wheeler - Middlesex
Nicholls, Nichols -  Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire
Lee, Porter - Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Bowers, Coxall, Coe, Dawkins, Hawkins, Horspoole, Rule - Cambridgeshire
Stoughton - Bedfordshire
Stewart - Stirlingshire,  Glasgow and Edingburgh
Tulloch - Orkney Islands
Liddell - Stirlingshire, Lanarkshire
Tulloch, Wilson, Stevenson, Baxter, Muir, Boag - Scotland