Derrick,
Thanks for all the information, I've copied it down to my computer.
I don't have enough knowledge of the families to piece it all together, I'm still working through it..
The following are details that may help you make a connection, I know that I'm repeating some of the details that you already know.
1858 Marriage certificate details:- At Lambeth 11th Sept 1858 William Long Kingsman a Bachelor, an Ivory Carver of Wood Street, Father Richard Kingsman an Ivory Carver.
W.L. Kingsman married Rosina Millicent Caraffa, a Spinster, no profession, of New Street, "Both of full age", Father Henry Caraffa a School Master. Witnesses Elizabeth Powell, I can't read the other one, something like "?. L. Ga???ler or Go???ler".
1859 Rosina Millicent Kingsman had a daughter Rosina Emma Kingsman born 26 May 1859 at 2 Manor Place, Walworth, Father William Long Kingsman (Ivory Carver), Mother Rosina Millicent Kingsman formerly Caraffa.
1861 Rosina Millicent Kingsman's husband W.L. Kingsman died in 1861, Death certificate details
Registration District Newington in the Sub-district of Saint Mary in the County of Surrey
William Long Kingsman, age 30, Died 18 December 1861 at 2 Manor Place. Occupation Ivory Carver, Cause of death ?Dropsy? 3 months. Informant and Residence Mary Kingsman present at the death 5 Manor Place Walworth.
This is definitely the correct William Long Kingsman, a different one died 1865 June Quarter Holborn 1b 396.
1862 Rosina Millicent Kingsman had a son Frederick William Kingsman, born 17 April 1862 at 94 Bermondsey New Road. Registration District "Saint Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Surrey" in the Sub-district "Leather Market" in the County of Surrey. Father William Long Kingsman (Deceased), Occupation Ivory Carver (Master). Mother Rosina Millicent Kingsman formerly Caraffa.
Informant R.M. Kingsman Mother of 94 Bermondsey New Road, Bermondsey.
1868 Rosina Millicent Kingsman married William Annable 1868 Sep Quarter Bermondsey 1d 51
I do not have the marriage certificate.
1874 Rosina Millicent Annable had a daughter Florence Louise Annable Birth 1874 March Qtr, St Saviour 1d 46. I do not have the birth certificate.
1880 Death Certificate Details of Rosina Annable age 44:- Registration District St Saviour Surrey in the Sub-district of Kent Road in the County of Surrey. Death 2 December 1880, 275 New Kent Road, Widow of William Annable a Carpenter. Informant Frederick Kingsman present at the death 275 New Kent Road Southwalk.
1883 Rosina Millicent's daughter Rosina Emma Kingsman married James Knight 1883 Dec Qtr St Saviour 1d 360, I do not have the marriage certificate.
1887 Frederick William Kingsman married Jessie Mary Bass 1887 Dec Qtr Shoreditch 1c 182, I do not have the marriage certificate, marriage not proved.
DERRICK
I don't know my grandfathers true identity, I know he used the name Luigi Caraffi, then used the name John (William)Taylor, neither are said to be his true name, I think he may have been a descendant of Rosina Millicent Caraffa.
I don't know what other children Rosina Millicent, Rosina Emma, James Knight or Frederick William Kingsman had, I would like to know what children they had and what happened to them, so that I can try and determine if any were my grandfather.
I don't know why my grandfather used the name Taylor, but during my William Long Kingsman research I came across your Mary Ann TYLOR which is obviously a variant of TAYLOR, I wonder if this is where he got the name Taylor from.
1825 William Long Kingsman married Mary Ann TYLOR in 1825 at Newgate, London.
1826 A son to the above couple :- William Kingsman, born 09 November 1826, Christening 07 December 1828, Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate, London. Parents William Long Kingsman and Mary Ann Kingsman. I suspect this child probably had the middle name Tylor/Taylor added to his name, becoming the following William T Kingsman (1881 Census, Ivory Worker).
1881 Census Details:- 5 Gosport Rd., Walthamstow, Essex
William T. Kingsman, Head, 53, born Clerkenwell, Occ: Ivory Worker.
Caroline Kingsman, Wife 57, born Birmingham.
Arthur Erysell, Nurse Child, 7, born Hoxton, Occ: Scholar.
I've rushed typing all this information, anyway, I hope it helps and perhaps some one else may help us out.
Regards - Ron
