newman and morris

[mypurdy50]

hi,i am researching this family.
Harriett Newman b abt 1875 orton leics,can find her with parents 1881 Edward and Catherine,Ashby Road Burton on Trent.1891 Harriet in Newhall,Derbyshire,with Josiah Hughes and children,as step daughter. 1901 Harriett is in workhouse in Horninglow Burton on Trent with 3 children.
1911 census states married 5yrs.Cant find marriage abt 1906 for Harriett Newman and John Morris until 1915 Burton on Trent.
could they have lied on the 1911 cencus?Sent for grandma,s birth certificate, born 9.5.1911  which states her parents as John Morris and Harriett Newman!! 

[osprey]

they wouldn't be the only the people on the 1911 census to adjust the date of marriage to one before the birth of their eldest child.

 

[censusmick]

Census Information is Crown Copyright : From:www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Copyright of GRO Indexes acknowledged - info from FreeBDM - long may they transcribe

Hi you may already have this info - but just in case ?

[?? ***** ??] are suppositions as to connections to your tree.

[?? 1841 Census   0602-17-11-14  -   Thomas 65,  Elizabeth 55, JOHN 20 ??]

[?? 1851 Census   2083-188-B -  ( NEWMANS ? )  Thomas  74   b.Ansley WAR,   Elizabeth  68   b.Orton on the Hill ??]

[?? 1856-Q4  Death  Market Bosworth RD -  Thomas  c1777  (of Elizabeth ? ) ??]

1860-Q4  Marriage    -    Market Bosworth RD  -   Edward NEWMAN &  Catherine ( nee WILSON ? ) 

1861 Census   2264-061-016   -  Edward 34,  Catherine 21,  Sarah Ann 00,  Elizabeth 80 b Austrey WAR  Grandmother ? Wid
                                                         Edward b. Merevale WAR /  LEI ?

[?? 1861-Q4  Death  -   Market Bosworth RD - Elizabeth c1779  ( of Thomas ?? ) ??]

1863-Q1  Birth  -   Market Bosworth RD   - Betsy

[?? 1866-Q3  & 1867-Q2 ?   Market Bosworth  RD - Birth & Death - Mary ??]

[?? 1868-Q4  &.1869-Q2 ?   Market Bosworth  RD - Birth & Death - Tom ??]

1871 Census  3240-041-017  -  Edward 44,  Catherine 31,  Sarah A 10,  Betsey  08

[?? 1872-Q4  & 1873-Q1 ?  Market Bosworth RD - Birth & Death - John ??]

1877-Q1 Birth  -  Market Bosworth RD - Harriet

[ Moved from Market Bosworth RD area to Burton on Trent RD area ]

[?? 1880-Q3   Marriage  Burton on Trent RD -   Sarah Ann NEWMAN   to  Josiah HUGHES    Winshill, St Mark  ??]
[ Did Sarah Ann appear on the 1891 Census with Josiah / Joseph ? was he a Widower then? ]

1881 Census  2759-106 -  Burton on Trent   - Edward c1828 ? b.Mernal ??  Catherine b.1840 Orton  - + kids

[?? 1884-Q1  Marriage   Burton on Trent RD - Betsy NEWMAN    to  Charles COX    Stapenhill, St Peter ??]

1888-09 ?  Burton on Trent RD   Death -  Edward

1891  Census 2200-073-012 -  Burton on Trent     Harriett  14,  George 9       + Joseph HUGHES ?? c1856  [ Josiah ?]
[?? re George - there is a George Howard NEWMAN  b.1882-06  Market Bosworth - pure supposition ??]

1901  Burton on Trent    2646-188-11   = Harriet 26,  Albert E 05,  Alfred 07,  Edith E 03

[?? 1906-Q1 Marriage Burton on Trent RD -  Harriet NEWMAN     to Walter Adam HOLMES  Winshill, St Mark  ??]
[ included as its the only Harriet NEWMAN Marriage found in the Burton on Trent RD that fits to your estimated time - belived to be a Harriet E ? ]

1911 Census  Burton on Trent 
John MORRIS 42  & Harriett MORRIS  38   + John MORRIS 3  (c1908 John William ?),  Phoebe MORRIS  1
+ NEWMAN Kids =   Alfred 17,  Albert 15,  Edith 12
 
[?? 1913-Q4  GEORGE A / 1916-Q1  CYRIL L  - MMN=NEWMAN  Surname=MORRIS  ??]

[?? 1919-Q2  Marriage Burton on Trent RD -   Albert E NEWMAN  ??]

No further Census details to hand - I would appreciate the details if you may have them - thanks.
Re the 1911 Birth Cert - was Harriet shown as "Morris  nee  Newman" or just as "Newman" ?

Mick  - a small ( worn down ) cog in the Newman Name Society  ( I'm trying to gain more Brownie Points !! )

[mypurdy50]

Hi Mick,niceto hear from you. The info you sent is as of 1860 and forwards.Sarah Ann Newman MN,did marry Josiah Hughes 1880 Sarah died march  1891, before the census was taken, 1891 her sister Harriet b 1877 is living with Josiah in Newhall,Derbyshire,as stepsister? Josiah is a widower on 1891 census..she would be sister inlaw.This may, be, because she had lost both parents by 1888,and he and Sarah took Harriet on as their own.
The birth certificate states the parents as John Morris and Harriet Newman."JUST NEWMAN"
If i send for marriage certificate for John and Harriet 1915,hopfully it will give their ages(fingers crossed)TRUE AGES
Wont hold my breath...If this states Dale Street !! as their address,,then i am on the right track.bye for now..Carol