Look Up Request Melbourne

[majm]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCK-5ZZ

This is a link to the historic records section of the LDS website, and as I understand it, it is the new equivalent to the IGI extracted index.   It gives a date for Eliza's marriage to John STALLARD as 12 March 1847.   There are volunteers currently working on transcribing many of the various denominations parish registers, in those rural districts of NSW.  I suspect they will also be considering transcribing various Victorian parish registers.

Perhaps they may find the elusive 4 July 1857 marriage for Joseph Myers.

Do you have Eliza's death cert?  I would expect it to list her marriages, and the children from each marriage, as well as the burial information to help you further, and thus confirm or eliminate her connection to your Joseph Myers.

ADDING :

This link shows what to expect on NZ death certs:
After 1875 - Registration of Births and Deaths Act 1875 (dated 12 October 1875)
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/datacollected/death.aspx

This link shows what to expect on NSW death certs
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm

This link shows what to expect on Vic death certs
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Cheers,  JM

[mum mum]

Hi
Yes the death certificate should list her marriages and children from these marriages but may not. One that I bought only listed one child and one husband when in fact she had seven children to three different men.
As we always warn, the death certificate is only as good as the informants knowledge.
mum mum

[Yorkslady]

Thanks to all once again - so much to think about!

Just to note, Eliza married in 1869 Peter Cato in New Zealand as Eliza Stallard, not Myers.
John Stallard who died in 1869 NSW age 60 would be the right age, so leaving Eliza legally free to marry Peter Cato.

I know she is the same Eliza as in Melbourne & Inglewood as her daughters are found with her in New Zealand and are still known as Myers.

1876/1356 Susannah Myers Robert Whitten 

1879/3121 Sarah Jane Cato Myers John Anslie Montgomerie

If Eliza had married Joseph, then why not marry as Eliza Myers - I think I need to obtain some certificates now!

[majm]

Hi there,

I think on the NZ thread there is confirmation that the surname would be WHITTEM for Susannah Myers.

Something is simply not making good sense to me, sorry.

Here’s two sightings for a possible Joseph Myers from the Trove digitised newspapers.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5763025 The Argus 21 May 1866
Joseph Myers, now in Sydney, and not having the means to return to the Colony (of Victoria)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5820554 The Argus 15 June 1869
Joseph Myers, a cabman drunk while in charge of a horse and cab

So I am a tad concerned re the 1859 cabman, in Victoria, Australia, then a move to New Zealand in 1862, (apparently while insolvent)  then back to NSW in 1866 and still subject to the insolvency from 1860 Victoria, then  again in 1869 as a cabman in Victoria, Australia and then the apparent change in both location and occupation to a Kosha butcher in Leeds in the UK and a marriage as a bachelor in 1879.

PS, if you are considering the 1869 dc for John Stallard, may I suggest the cheaper and quicker alternative is to order the document from the NSW Official Transcription Agents (they are all diligent, reliable and can send you the document via email attachment). 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

ADDING, if you are considering NZ BDM certs, I think you will find the PRINT OUTS to be much more informative, but it would be best to ask that question of the NZ RChatters on your NZ thread.

Cheers,  JM

 

[sparrett]

The JOSEPH MYERS who was declared fraudulently insolvent applied for discharge from insolvency in 1866.
He had been  clothier in Melbourne and there are numerous advertisements and items about him in the digitised newspapers.

He was not a cab-driver, unlike the JOSEPH MYERS of Yorklady's interest
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5764055?searchTerm="joseph myers" insolvent&searchLimits=l-title=13

The JOSEPH MYERS  who traveled to NZ travelled in 1862 travelled with  PAUL STALLARD (his step/foster son?) and another man DICK, a butcher. ELIZA later married CATO, a butcher.

Sue

ADDING-

and a marriage as a bachelor in 1879. JM

He probably was a bachelor No marriage yet found or confirmrd!

[Yorkslady]

I had previously looked into the Joseph Myers who was insolvant and dismissed him as being my Joseph Myers as I too discovered he was a clothier.

Joseph and his brother Sam, along with another brother, their father, uncles & cousins had all been butchers in Leeds. The family had several butchers shops, and Joseph returned to that occupation when he returned in 1877, working in his fathers shop, until opening his own.
 
The family story was that he sold bread and water to the gold miners, and this led me to believe he would have travelled back and forth between Melbourne and the gold fields. I think there was a natural transition to taking people back and forth and therefore becoming a Cab Proprietor.

[~MERLIN~]

You have said that his brother Samuel arrived with him & died in 1874.
Why you haven't purchased Samuel's death certificate?
The informant who gave the information obviously knew the correct details & could possibly have been Joseph.

MYERS Samuel (born YORK) d. age 48yrs 1874 #11229
Father: Joseph
Mother: Susannah U

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Was Samuel married to a lady by the name of Jane?

[~MERLIN~]

Joseph appears to have returned to Inglewood, Victoria Australia and got himself into trouble over a cab fare, when there was an argument about payment and he assaulted a woman. He was jailed for 6 weeks. See The Argus (Melbourne, Vic) Monday 13 Dec 1875, page 6 Trove Newspaper archives. (Several other newspaper clips to be found about this incident)

I am also curious as to why you haven't obtained a copy of his prison record?
These can contain detailed information & many include photos.

Name: Joseph MYERS
Register no: 21716 = (prisoner number)
No of Register: 36 = (volume number)
Page: 373

http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/prisoners-and-convicts

[Yorkslady]

Re Joe's prison records, as I read it, I would only be able to order the prison records through the website for viewing in the Victorian Archives Centre Reading Room. I am in the UK, so unable to do so, but will make a note of the reference as I hope to visit Australia again in the next year or two.

As to his brother Sam, his wife was called Jane Stevenson and they married in Leeds 1849. I have found a newspaper clip at Trove, of a Jane looking for her husband Sam and think it is quite likely to be her. Is that why you asked if her name was Jane, or have you found something else?

As I said before, I need to start buying more certificates!