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A brick wall with Mary and John
« on: Friday 22 June 12 08:58 BST (UK) »
I'd really appreciate some help with this one - brick walls abound!

I was fortunate in receiving a very comprehensive (and obviously commissioned) family descendant document for my ancestor John WHITE who immigrated to New Zealand in about 1864. It starts with him, and his wife Mary NELLON (or Nailon; Nelan; Nellin etc who also immigrated to NZ about the same time). This information comes from their respective death registrations. John WHITE was a quarry-man/miner in Orepuki and his residence there is well documented by voter registrations and school record information.

John White originates from County Derry and Mary Nellen from County Kerry. Both appear to have been protestants, possibly Presbyterian. John and Mary were married on the 10th Oct 1865 at Knox Church, Dunedin. Mary was a Spinster, but there is a rather ambiguous squiggle in that column for John, however he is  listed 'full age'. They had a large family, of which my great grandmother was a child - Prudence White. There are a number of 'John Whites'  in NZ at the time, some of  them holding govt. positions - I doubt they are connected to this family.

My quest is to find the ship, or ships they came out on, and more about them if possible. I have looked for them in 'Papers Past' without success, and also have not been able to find them in Australia, or on a ship from Australia to NZ. There are some possibilities with family left in Ireland with the dominance of the female name 'Prudence' (repeated a number of times in generations of this family) but nothing conclusive.

Would anyone have a clue as to how I can find out more about John and Mary? I'd be most grateful!
Joyce & Black in Armagh/Down; Clarkson in Hull, East Riding; Paxton in Hull, Yorkshire; Lodge in Huddersfield and Liverpool; Shaw in Caistor, Lincolnshire; Noncon and Pope in London.

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 June 12 09:41 BST (UK) »
Hello

here is their Marriage

1865/8714 Mary  Nellen to John  White 


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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 June 12 10:10 BST (UK) »
What were their ages when they married,we might be able to find their deaths and work back

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 June 12 10:17 BST (UK) »
I take it you have worked out the number of years in NZ from their Death Registrations?


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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 June 12 11:18 BST (UK) »
ooops... sorry, I forgot their ages. John White was born abt 1834 and mary Nellon was born about  1843. Ages at their marriage were for John 'full age' and Mary '_'  which gives us little.

However their death certs note  John dying in 1916 at the age of 82, having 52 years in NZ. For Mary, she died in 1917 at the age of 74, having been in NZ for 54 years.

It appears that they both came to NZ about 1864..... just before their marriage in  October 1865.
Joyce & Black in Armagh/Down; Clarkson in Hull, East Riding; Paxton in Hull, Yorkshire; Lodge in Huddersfield and Liverpool; Shaw in Caistor, Lincolnshire; Noncon and Pope in London.

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 June 12 11:29 BST (UK) »
That is ok, sometimes in the excitement of posting, we forget to post the important bits.

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 June 12 11:49 BST (UK) »
Here are the deaths
some kind person may be able to find them in the burial locator

1916/10236 White  John  82Y

I dont' see a 74yr old Mary,just this one

1917/110 White  Mary Elizabeth  74Y

There is this one too

1917/9205 White  Mary  76Y

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 June 12 11:57 BST (UK) »
Here are the deaths
some kind person may be able to find them in the burial locator

1916/10236 White  John  82Y

1917/9205 White  Mary  76Y

Cheers Janette

Burial Locator just says Orepuki.   The District Council for Southland will need to be emailed.

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Re: A brick wall with Mary and John
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 June 12 12:06 BST (UK) »
There is an email for the cemetery trust here

http://www.southlanddc.govt.nz/cemeteries/


Cheers Janette