Name the pub

[Trees]

Again many thanks for two interesting links I now have a big priority list to visit the new RO in Taunton to see what else can be found they are not main line but oh so interesting
I'll settle for the Alfred Tavern it sounds very plausible it would be interesting to see if it is on any maps I wonder if the quarter sessions books will tell more about when he had the licence first and then about it being revoked Of all my "Pubs" its the first to have its licence revoked
I have found them in 1901 mistranscribed as BALL on FindMyPast
RG13/2344 fo101 p7
they are together and she is down as blind 4 years her name given as Ann again.
It looks like she did not continue the charges against him perhaps she was too scared to be left allone and better the devil you know its a painful story to uncover

[awb]

Right, good news. I have located Alfred Place and Longmead Street and have maps and photos.

I will attempt to get them scanned and marked up by this evening and upload them to my family photo gallery and post the links.

What is really bizzare is that the book I found the photo on has been on my desk since Christmas as I was borrowing it from my dad for something else.

For Ref: I got the map 1886 Town Plan from http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html and pieced it together.

[awb]

Here you go, let me know if you cannot see the images.

http://www.familytreegallery.bilsdon.com/index.php/Alfred-Place

What was confusing was that the road was not in twerton as I know of it today, it was in East Twerton and was built on top of by Stothert & Pitt.

It was parallel to the Lower Bristol Road on the other side of the railway lines. The Victoria Supsension Bridge is still there and still be walked over.

I was an Apprentice at Stothert & Pitt in 1989 and my father and grand father worked for the company before it closed. It is a funny feeling thinking that I would have walked over the spot where the house was many times as it was roughly in the middel of the crance yard.

The whole site has almost been rebuilt again recently with flats.

Any how, hope you find these photos as interesting as I have?

Please feel free to leave comments on the gallery site.

[Trees]

Great detective awb the photo shows the house had a shop front just as we have found well done a great addition to the story.Many thanks for sharing it with us 
trees

[Hystericalwriter]

I too was confused by "Twerton", as I grew up in the Council estate which was at the other end of Twerton, and that wasn't Twerton as I knew it. My Aunt lived at St Peter's Terrace in the late '50s, so I know now where the pub was

Good detective work, I think that the site has car show rooms on what was Alfred Terrace. Funnily enough there are going to be loads of houses all along the site, like there was 100 years ago.

I remember seeing the Stothert's men coming out of work, cycling in droves........I would wait on the corner by the canteen, for a boy I had a passion for at the time!

Well done and really interesting

Anne

[Trees]

Hi Ann the newspapers that Hannes Teulu found prove there never was a pub it was a grocer's shop with an "off" or "outdoor" licence John was convicted a couple of times for allowing drink to be consumed on the premises against his License and eventually lost it completely I think it was a bit of bravado puting Inn Keeper as his occupation in 1881
Its good to find a few thorns amongst the branches of the family tree  it makes a very interesting story. Strangely its the ones that stray off the straight and narrow that are easier to find things about.
Trees

[Ruskie]

I have no connections whatsoever with the area, nor have I ever visited it, but I find the images fascinating awb. Thanks for posting them.

I now see how I missed finding Alfred Terrace on any old maps - I was looking for a small road rather than a small terrace of four houses.  On some maps some of the larger terraces were named but I couldn't find one which mentioned Alfred Terrace.

A successful result - well done! 

[Hystericalwriter]

Sorry, I missed the fact that the premises was an "offy".........

 I think (as long as it doesn't upset older relatives) to find a few "thorn" amongst the roses is great.

 I have one ancestor who was held in gaol for a month accused of "receiving stolen goods" (a cheese his brother had lifted off the back of a wagon) but the depositions do give a snapshot of their living conditions, and theworry that their father must have gone through when they were accused.