Name the pub

[hanes teulu]

Post Office Bath Directory 1895
Longmead Street (East Twerton)
1 Turner William, Butcher

Alfred Place no longer appears in this Directory

regards

[hanes teulu]

Bath Chronicle & Weekly Gazette Thur 30 Dec 1880

"... the house of John Bale, at No 1 Alfred Place, Twerton....... Ann Bale, wife ....(who keeps a small grocer's shop and holds an outdoor beer licence) ...."

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[Trees]

Great strides forward with all your help many thanks everyone. So the street name changed and it looks like John Bale has got himself in a spot of bother one way or another
I have now found them in 1891 at 2 Longmead StreetThe picture is building up nicely so why has he moved next door in 1891 he was listed as a general labourer and his wife Louisa Ann was a laundress
Trees

[Yorkslass]

Ooo-er,

Another newspaper report.  Bristol Mercury again, November 21, 1896 at the Police Court, Bath.

"John Bale was summoned for committing an aggravated assault upon his wife, Louisa Ann Bale on the 4th inst., whereupon she prayed for a separation.  Neither of the parties appeared.  The clerk said that when the applicant applied for a summons, she was in a deplorable condition.  He had seen nothing in the way of a black eye like it before.  A letter was read from applicant's daughter, to say that her mother was ill, so that she asked for an adjournment until the following Saturday.  This was granted."

The annoying thing is, I can't find them in the next weeks paper!

Yorkslass

[Ruskie]

It sounds like it may not have been a pub as we know it - rather a private house with a licence to sell alcohol. I believe this happened a lot in the past with folks selling from their front rooms. If you look at some of the maps of the time, there was a 'malting' or some such place in the area around Alfred Place. Longmead Street existed on the 1881 census, so I am just wondering if Alfred Place was simply a small alley or courtyard on the corner of Longmead which was later encorporated into Longmead St?

[Trees]

Ooh another real rogue on the tree! How do I get at these papers Yorkslass they sound a great resource
Ruskie that sounds a good theory I have over 100 publicans on the tree several setting up in the "front room" so to speak  but others in really ancient houses one was set up by monks to give refreshment and rest to pilgrims then it was known as The Jesus House but later became The Dog we laugh and think it was the reverse of ..well you work it out  Even the cottage inns had a sign they were known by though For example our Anchor was set up on the bank of a canal and had a real anchor at the door . When the family moved to the Dog mentioned above they took the anchor with them and for a short time the house was known as the dog and anchor later it reverted to the old name The Dog. The house they had set up as the Anchor then became The railway as the line had been built close to it may be my lot moved out while it was being built the timing was right.But I am straying off the topic.
Back to bad John poor Louisa it was hard to get a separation back then I hope he was given a restraining order too if not a time at His majesties pleasure I wonder how she would have supported herself. Did it mention which daughter by any chance I know of five so far and four sons her last known child was born and died 1893 when louisa was 40/41 which all fits nicely.
Iam really enjoying this chase Many thanks
Trees
Added: the oldest daughter would have been 15 in 1896 gosh it would be hard for her to support the family single handed

[Trees]

There is a photograph on a tree on Ancestry showing John Louisa and a daughter taken in 1916 so it looks like they did not separate poor Louisa is wearing dark glasses did he do permanent damage and repent  I wonder

Oh no in 1911 they are together and it says she is totally blind for 14 years
I cant find them i 1901 yet
so it looks like he has blinded her why has she had him back oh gosh this is no longer funny Poor Louisa

[Yorkslass]

Oh dear, I looked at that photo, how sad .....

Trees, the site I use is the British Historical Newspapers site, and I can access it from home using my library card number.

I also looked at the British Newspaper Archive, though I don't have a subscription, but you can see "snippets".

Like this one, from the "Western Daily Press" dated 22 September, 1879.  Looks like the premises were called the "Alfred Tavern", and John was applying for an outdoor beer licence.

Actually, there are a few on this page that probably refer to "your" John.

Hope the link works  -  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0nxs/

Yorkslass

[Hystericalwriter]

I grew up in Twerton and have looked with your comments and links with interest........don't know where Alfred Street is likely to be.........but this is another link that might give more information on Twerton and it's changes.

http://www.twerton.com/twertonhistory/index.php/twerton/

Anne