Fosters of Ecclesfield

[Fozgraven]

Good afternoon all.

Due to the kindness of individuals replying to my previous posts, I have managed to succeed as far as expected. Thank you so much.

I am now on the final part of my research, and onto my pedigree,...the Foster line.
I've managed quite well at the library,...but now i'm stuck.
Could you be so kind as to assist again?

The main hurdle that i can't seem to clear, is the Hannah Foster (b.1824) puzzle.

If you could please look at the following, and try and crack this mystery, i would be very grateful.

My Grandafather was:
Arthur Foster b.1924.

Son of:
Harold Foster b.1895
Minnie Milner b.1896.

Harold, son of:
Arnold Foster b.1870
Sarah ?? b.1878

Arnold, Son of:
Albert Foster b.1842
Martha.C.Shaw b.1843.

This is where the mystery starts.

Albert (above) Son of:

father ??
Hannah Foster b.1824.

Hannah is in the 1851 census as living with her Mother & Father (and family) and her son, Albert.
She is listed as the Daughter of the Head (James Foster).

There is no mention of her as a widow, or as her being a daughter IN LAW, so who is Alberts Father?. (??)

To make matters even more confusing, In the 1861 census, Hannah appears as Hannah Thorpe.
Having married Samuel Thorpe since the last census, and mothering 4 children aged under 8.
Albert is also in the household, as Albert Foster (Keeping his surname), aged 19.

This leads me to believe that Hannah married a Foster and became a widow.

Confusing eh? Welcome to my world. haha.

So, what i'm wanting to discover is:

The name of Alberts father/Hannahs husband.
When they married.
Where they married.
When he died.
Where he died.
And finally, to be able to confirm and to trace my lineage further.

Can you pleeeeease help?
All contributions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you and best regards.

[wozzle]

it would appear that albert was illegitimate
you could get his birth cert it might state who his father was on it(though i would'nt bank on it)
or his marr cert which hopefully will give his fathers name and occupation
i cannot find his birth but here is the index for his marriage in case you do not have it
albert foster/martha shaw
y.o.r. 1867
qtr;jan/feb/mar
dist; sheffield
vol;9c
page; 476

[Fozgraven]

Thanks Wozzle.

I was wondering if that was going to be the case.
Strange how Hannah kept the name of Foster, and with no mention of Widow etc.
It seems your theory matches mine,...and Albert is illegitimate.

Many thanks for your reply, and for the additional info.
Much appreciated, thank you.

Foz.

[keyboard86]

Hi re a possible birth, it could be that Albert was one of twins, although I cannot locate a death for an Alfred in Wortley?

Albert Foster Sept 1841 Wortley 22 667
Alfred Foster Sept 1841 Wortley 22 667

Keyboard86

[Fozgraven]

Cheers for that Keyboard.

I'll add that snippet of info to the collection. 

Thanks.

[Pennines]

Did affiliation orders still take place in 1842? Or did that system stop in 1834?

If an affiliation order was taken out to make Albert's father pay - then his name and details can be discovered. Usually such orders have been retained in County Record Offices.

It may be worth exploring.

Regards June

[Fozgraven]

Really?

I wasn't aware of that. Was that the CSA of its day?

It could open all kinds of avenues as to why the father was unknown.
Was Hannah a servant to a wealthy house? Was she paid to keep quiet?
Was she sexually assaulted? Was it an affair?

It could be any number of reasons.
But i will look into your suggestion on that.

Thank you for helping.

[Fozgraven]

Its looking likely that i'll be going down the route of Hannah's family for the lineage now.

So, Her father was James Foster b.1788.

Does anybody have the means to confirm his father?

I've got a Nathaniel Foster, but no age/d.o.b/spouse details.

Can any of you access that info and share?

Many thanks.

[Pennines]

You have been watching too many period dramas!! It was probably the milk man. Find one close by on the 1841 census!! (only joking)

About the affiliation orders --- the poor law guardians used to force the unmarried mothers to name the father of their babies. This was literally to put the father before the justices to get some money from him, so that the unmarried mother didn't claim poor law relief.

However - I am not sure when this stopped - a new poor law came out in 1834 - that MAY have changed the system.

Regards June