Miller family in Wexford

[Scollagh]

Thanks for info, Camlin. If the Jacob Miller that you have born to Henry & Eliza Miller is the same Jacob Miller that married Sarah Rynhart and emigrated to Australia in 1842, it looks fairly clear that Henry & Eliza Miller were living in Enniscorthy at that time (according to shipping forms), so unlikely perhaps to be back in Killeen in 1850s.

Enniscorthy would be about 30 miles - 50 km from Inistioge. Yes, you'd travel between them in the 1880s on foot or trap but not really on a regular basis, I think. Consider that the Rynhart families seem to start around 1710 near Gorey - and 150 years later, most are still farming within a 15 mile radius. So my sense, is that people tended to stay closer to their immediate relations if they could. If they didn't stay locally, they tended to move much further afield - Dublin, England, USA, Canada, Australia.

[Scollagh]

You were asking re possible Palatine connections - this I posted on Ancestry messages recently but will copy here:

There were Palatine Mueller/ Miller families who came in 1710. According to Henry Jones book, Palatine Families of Ireland, a John (Johann) Jost Miller is recorded in 1715 as head of one family likely settled in Wexford. His wife was possibly Ann Miller and she is listed as head of family in 1720 on Old Ross estate run by Abel Ram family, which estate was near what is New Ross now. There are possible children/ descendants - John Miller, Henry Miller, Thomas Miller and James Miller. These were made freemen at various dates ranging from 1748-1759.

There's a pretty good survey of the Old Ross estate, in National Library Ireland, dated 1818 but there's no mention of Millers there then. This survey is very detailed with description of farms, land, tenants & leases. So the Millers above had either died out by abt 1800 or moved out. If they moved, they could easily have relocated to the Tighe estate around Inistioge, I guess.

I can also tell you that in same NLI papers, there's an 1836 rental list for Abel Ram estate near Gorey, north Wexford – on this a John Miller is leasing land at Clonattin nr Gorey, Wexford. In 1813, there’s similar list for same estate containing a Lewis Miller, Esq – i.e. a gentleman, also leasing at Clonattin.

[camlin]

I am grateful for this information and leads to follow up.
I only quite recently learned (and not from family sources) that my Millers might have a Palatine connection. Sadly the Miller surname is not, in itself, diagnostic as it has English and Scots sources as well.
The family Christian names, although anglicized, would, I think, be consistent with a Palatine background.  I have in mind Matthew and Jacob and later a Hubert.
(PS If I don't respond quickly to further comments, it is because I am away from my computer for a few days.)

[sistera]

  wow,this's great thanks so much for this info, and jacob baptized 3/4/1814,i presume he must've been brn early1814 as the info I got was 1818 then 1810. I'm not on ancestry, im in touch with a miller decendant who's on ancestry and has a family tree going, i also have a cousin who was on ancestry.This's such alot to take in,any chance of copying that shipping list record for me. Thanks again,good to know we have a possible maiden name for elisabeth [flood] they were certainly hard times back then, cheers keep me posted on any more info,

[sistera]

Hi there Scollagh, I went on to the New South Wales Shipping records and found the document, i'd also would like to clarify the birth date of Jacob as I was told 1810 then  1818 as he was 24yrs when he sailed to Australia, but if Camlin has a written transcript of jacob baptized on the 3-4-1814 would it have his b,date on it also, for our records here in aussie land 
 Family search has him est:1818.I also googled Old Ship Picture Galleries, clicked on :old ships-H & found 9 pics of a ship [Hope] not sure if this could be the one they sailed on but worth a look. I'll also see if i can find some info on willam & mary miller,cheers

[Scollagh]

I don't know - I guess it hinges on whether it's the same Jacob Miller. I know it was common back in the 1800s for people to be a little uncertain of their ages, particularly as they got older. Your Jacob Miller does indicate age 24 when emigrating in 1842. I see that Sarah has age 20 written on form, then crossed off and 19 inserted. You'd think that Jacob might know if he was 24 or 28 but maybe not? Or perhaps there was good reason to underestimate a little?

[sistera]

I had a Robyn who's on ancestry and is also following miller tree and wants to know if this's our Henry Miller in 1881 Henry Miller Ennistiogue,kilkenny farmer a prisoner at NAAS Prison,no other info as to why he would be there if this's our henry miller. any info woud be appreciated,sorry my pc has been out of action and had to change everthing including new email address,it's been a headache.

[sistera]

trying to send this document on henry miller protection of property and privacy act 1881

http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/xmisc/prison-1881.txt

[Scollagh]

I've been looking more closely at the Rynhart records around Enniscorthy and district recently and whilst I can't be certain I think that this Sarah Rynhart was born in 1823 to John Rynhart & Mary Daly who marry 1803 in St.Mary's Enniscorthy and farm at nearby Clonhasten, Enniscorthy. So, if the case, she was likely a later child of this couple.

According to parish records, they're both 'of this parish' at time of marriage and there is another Daly record in same time period, a Jane born to James and Mary Daly in 1804.

As regards this John Rynhart, I think he was born in 1782 to John Rinehart & Anne Shaw at Ballymore, Ferns. I have reason to think this family moved to Enniscorthy area in 1790s and this John Snr is the man recorded in 1798 at Clonhasten.

There's a certain amount of 'educated guesswork' in this, but it seems the most likely at present. I've added in Sarah & Jacob into my provisional family tree on Ancestry for the Wexford Rynharts. I think they had a child Elisabeth in NSW who married a Charles Doring but if anyone can fill me after that, I'd be grateful to add in rest of line. If you contact me by message, I'll send my email. thx Barry D.