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Murder!1
« on: Tuesday 19 June 12 21:23 BST (UK) »
Hello, New to the site, so hope to help and be helped with a few questions.

I have a subscription to Ancestry.Com and have found an entry for a Charles Saunders b.1814 Stisted
near Braintree Essex


Charles Saunders
Date of Trial:   28 Feb 1853
Trial Year:   1853
Location of Trial:   Essex, England
Sentence:   Death
Crime:   See Image

Apparently he committed a MURDER !!!


There may well be other persons the same name so does anyone know how I can find more about this case and if this particular Charles is connected to my tree. Please.

Thankyou R

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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 21:52 BST (UK) »
Hi, welcome to Rootschat.
I found a report, and this Charles Saunders is described as a `class usually denominated as tramps " It was between Romford and London.
Saunders was a native of Mortlake  in Surrey.

Does that ring any bells  ???

ADDED,
Saunders was said to be  32 years old.
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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 21:58 BST (UK) »
He murdered a Mr TOLLER.  Charles SANDERS had a sister Caroline, married name COLLIER, her husband was a corn chandler and they lived in Kensel New Town. If that gives you any clues.

Jebber
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 22:03 BST (UK) »
Oh how clever of you to find that info. No, that seems to rule out the person I had wondered about.


Can I ask where you found that information wilcoxon?  

O even more info. How helpful you are. a Different part of Essex altogether so pretty sure he is not "one of mine"


Thanks again. :)


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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 22:03 BST (UK) »
The Essex Standard, and General Advertiser for the Eastern Counties (Colchester, England), Friday, February 25, 1853;
Charles Saunders the murderer of the late Mr. Toller, remanded on the last Bench-day, was now placed in the dock and the following evidence was adduced against him:-
John Wilson Metcalf, police constable 142K stated that on the 8th February he received information that a man had been murdered in the high road between Chadwell and Ilford; he proceeded to the spot where he found the body of Thomas Samuel Toller, lying in the road in a pool of blood, quite dead: shortly afterwards he saw the prisoner coming towards him from Barley Mow Lane; seeing blood on his clothes, he asked him how uit came tio be there........he detained him, and shortly afterwards Willis came up and identified him as the murderer.......
Thomas Willis stated that on the morning in question........saw the prisoner hitting the deceased with a stick on the head.....he took a knife from his pocket and ran it into the neck of the deceased, and drew it right across his throat.......The prisoner having been duly cautioned by the Chairman in answer to the charge, said---"He tried to murder me, and now I have murdered him".....was then committed to take his trial at the next Central Criminal Court.
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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 22:10 BST (UK) »
Gosh I'm pleased he isn't a descendant of mine..well my husbands in this case.

Thankyou all. It looks like your all so clever I won't be able to be much help to anyone here. :-*

Time I went to my bed. I was up til almost 3am this morning searching my tree.

 :) :) :) :) :)

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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 June 12 22:13 BST (UK) »
I was pipped to the post with this, but will still enter it. It may help somebody else  :)

Another report says he was the son of a market gardener who had recently died, and at about the time of the prisoners birth his mother was in a lunatic asylum.  :(

The Essex Standard, Friday, April 01, 1853.

 Charles was executed on the Wednesday, he was visited  a sister Carolyn Colyer and a cousin Jane Jeffreys both from Kelsall New Town, Surrey.

It was said the when the rope was adjusted the prisoner was heard to say " God bless you all "

Hope this helps.
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Re: Murder!1
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 June 12 13:53 BST (UK) »
There's also info on the Old Bailey site

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/index.jsp
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