Robert Austen 1791-1850

[Mikehere]

Thank you very much with regards Caroline - I see they missed the "s" on the end of surname just to try and confuse the issue further.  If official reports were without fails it might not be as interesting.  Thanks again.

[LornaHen]

I should have done a Mallars Lambeth web search before now!!

I've been tackling this one from the point of view of trying to prove William Edward AUSTIN born Bow, London 8 Nov 1869 (1939 Register) who married Alice Maud CARTER *  was one and the same person as the William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN whose birth was registered Mile End Old Town in 1869.
There's a separate thread about this here on RootsChat,
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808750.msg6698851#msg6698851
refers.

* 27 Oct 1894 Haggerston cert. shows William Edward as 24 clerk resid. 70 Middleton Rd, s/o William AUSTIN, engineer; Alice Maud as 21 resid. 14 a Gealand Rd, Dalston, d/o John CARTER, fish salesman; Both signed; Wit.: James Arthur BIRCH, Ellen BEER

I convinced myself they were indeed one and the same person given the birth cert. of said William Edward Sinclair Fitz AUSTEN showed he was born 8 Nov 1869.

The 8 Nov 1869 birth cert. shows he was born 3pm to William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN, porter, and Sarah Jane BIGGS formerly BLAKE. Informant mother S J AUSTEN, same address, registered 20th Dec
Sarah I've followed around a bit and updated the FamilySearch tree for.
But the wonderfully names William Mallars Fitz AUSTEN remains elusive prior to the above 1869 birth of son (twin of Ada)
And his occupation of railway porter does rather vary from "engineer".

I'll now go back and reread the entire thread but am rather excited to find this thread given the DNA matches myself, two maternal aunts and several cousins have to a descendant of William Edward married to Alice CARTER.
A descendant of Sarah's, from either of her partners, may show up as a DNA match on MyHeritage (also on GEDMatch) to my match, depending on how many generations down to present day we are talking about here.

[LornaHen]

There is a baptism on FS

William Mallars Fitzaustin -1835 - parents Daniel Fitzaustin and Caroline.

If that is a late baptism, that would be of high interest to me as a possibility.
The presence of Fitz as Mikehere states may well be showing in the firstname fields BUT
Fitz has a definition in names as
"Fitz is a prefix in patronymic surnames of Anglo-Norman origin. This usage derives from the Norman fiz / filz, pronunciation: /fits/ (cognate with French fils < Latin filius), meaning "son of"..."
(Mikehere, I interpret the 1869 birth cert. name as Fitz, not Fritz, although I've no other Fs on the page to compare the "r" you have looks like an extension of the letter F to me)

The William Mallars Fitz Austen I've been following appears to have been born around 1829, Lambeth (1871/1881 census at least)

I have a theory about the DNA match I mention in my earlier post.

Fascinated to see if can prove this particular if his mother was indeed Caroline.

I am hoping, against hope possibly, that this William might be my missing in action 2*great grandfather, and Caroline turns up as my great grandmother's first name.
Her full name being Caroline Emma Austin / Austen
where Emma is from her mother's side.

So far working on the DNA matches for this particular match we do already know that it is from one of her paternal ancestors (which includes the AUSTINs) and is looking unlikely to be from her paternal grandfather's ancestry - which is a good thing.
Work continues on seeing if DNA can work its' magic.

[heywood]

Baptism does not show a birthdate

January 11th 1835 St Mary, Lambeth
William Mallars,  son of Daniel and Caroline Fitzaustin address New Cut
Father’s occupation Labourer

[LornaHen]

Let's continue any further work over in the other thread rather than duplicate new findings here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808750.msg6698976#msg6698976

[heywood]

I think that’s best for your enquiry. It does cause problems sometimes - the repetition of information.