When someone has been as dismissive as you have of the efforts made by others to help, trust me: I don't take it as a challenge to my worth as a human being, and I don't feel any need to be defensive.
The question is about the facts: one of the earlier posts in this long, long string said there were 4 daughters in the Lockhart family at Lansingburgh. The 1850 census names only 2 males and 2 females in that household: presumably the parents, one daughter, one son. I'm sorry, but I don't know what household you are talking about. There is no Lockhart family in Lansingburgh in the 1840 US census.
The 1850 census gives the names and personal details of everyone in a household.
The 1840 census gives only the head's name and categorizes the others according to sex and age.
The 1850 census has
- John Lockhart (1820 Scotland), wife Ellen, children William and Margaret in Lansingburgh
- Robert Lockhart (1834 Canada), mother Margaret Henderson Lockhart Cloyde, in Troy
- Mary Lockhart Dow (c1819 Scotland), mother Margaret Henderson Lockhart Cloyde, in Troy
- Jane Lockhart (1826 Scotland) in Troy
- William Lockhardt (c1827 Scotland) in Buffalo: same occupation as Robert and his Cloyd stepfather, and in 1860 in Shelby Tennessee where Robert is, and then in Chicago where much of the rest of the family is in 1870 and 1880
Just to add to those matched sets -- the widowed John Lockhart (c1820 Scotland) is in Chicago in 1880, and New Orleans in 1900 where Robert (c1834 Canada) is. They all go together. There is no question.
(Something I'm pondering: were John and Robert in Scotland for part of the intervening period? as there are coincidental events there: a John and a Robert who both married women named Orr in Glasgow and had children, and each had a child with middle name Henderson ...)
Obviously all these people are related: all children of Margaret Henderson Lockhart Cloyd and William Lockhart.
And they are simply the only Lockharts in the vicinity of Rensselaer County by 1850.I did mention the five children born in Renfrewshire to a William and Margaret Lockhart shown at scotlandspeople, and suggest you pay the minimal credits there to view those results and learn that Margaret's birth surname, to see whether the mother was Margaret Henderson, and the children are some of these children in NY state.
Meanwhile, you may be referring to the William Lockhard family in Cobleskill NY in 1840. The household members may not match up --
1840 census for William Lockhard in Cobleskill NY
Males
under 5 1 (?)
5-9 1 (could be Robert c1834 Canada)
10-14 1 (could be William c1826 Scotland)
30-39 1 (could be father William)
(with son John already flown)
Females
5-9 1 (?)
10-14 1 (could be Jane c1826 Scotland)
20-29 1 (could be Margaret)
30-39 1 (could be mother Margaret)
60-69 1 (a parent/in-law?)
(with daughter Ellen already flown -
as an hypothesis - and daughter Mary marrying in Scotland in 1846)
-- but this may conflicts with the idea of Ellen marrying in Rensselaer County in 1840 -- except that James Clezie was apparently living in Rensselaer County and she may already have been. Otherwise, the family isn't a bad match for the Lockharts in Rensselaer County circa 1850.
But I don't believe anyone was asserting that this 1840 household was in fact the family of the Lockharts in Rensselaer County. It was an avenue to explore. Whether or not it seems to pan out, I can't imagine deciding not to investigate it.
But if it was correct, can anyone suggest a means to discover names of those daughters? For example, what churches existed at Lansingburgh & Troy around 1840, and where can their records of baptisms, etc. be searched?I guess we all left our magic wands at home. If anyone who had read this had the answer, they would probably have offered it. Meanwhile,
we know that there were Lockharts married and baptised at the Presbyterian churches in Troy and Lansingburgh around 1850, in addition to Ellen:
- John married - his children baptised in the church where Ellen married
- Jane married - in the church where Ellen married
- Margaret married - in the Presbyterian church in Troy
The 1860 census, Cleveland, Ohio, said Ellen Lockhart/Clezie was born 1816 in Scotland. What place in Scotland? If the Lockharts were all born in Scotland, the likelihood is small of finding any useful record on this side of the Atlantic.What place in Scotland indeed ... known only to readers who have chosen not to divulge the answer, I guess. The rest of us have just tried and failed.
William Lockhart and Margaret Henderson married in Paisley, Renfrewshire.
Several Lockhart couples can be seen baptising children in the area. There are no records for baptisms of children of William Lockhart and Margaret Henderson in Scotland at familysearch. Perhaps they moved to somewhere records are not accessible (note daughter Mary married in Glasgow), perhaps they didn't baptise their children, perhaps their children are the ones at scotlandspeople whose mother was Margaret Something.
NOTE: I have edited to add info above.
And I agree with royd
-- ask google!
