Toronto streets, about 1840

[cosmac]

Thanks for clarifying Heiserca regarding your research on the Clezie side.   Sorry if I seemed rude questioning your facts but I've seen so many obvious mistakes on family trees.  I've pursued many speculative trails in different family lines and some have proven to be accurate and others quite laughably wrong.

Still am not sure about the Ohio death registration for Ellen.  Do you have or have seen the actual state registration for her to definitely rule out any parents' names listed?

Have you followed the children of Ellen and James forward in time.  Family Search has records for what I believe is your William James married to Alice Leonard in 1878 Ottawa, Ohio.  Various census and marriages for children show his birth as New York but the 1910 census in Danbury Ohio shows his birth as Ohio.  An online ancestry tree for his son William Lester doesn't take Ellen's parentage back any further and an IGI submitted pedigree file also stops at Ellen.

Debbie

[heiserca]

Your questions were not rude, cosmac!  Questioning is how we learn.  Thank you.

Ellen died at Cleveland, Ohio.  The procedure was: death information was compiled at City Hall, in a large book called “Record of Deaths”.  That information was the basis of any death certificate issued later.

Ellen’s record of death has many spaces left blank.

Name:  Ellen Clezie
Date of Death:  10/27/99 
Place of Death:  Cvd. 
Married
Name of Father:  (blank)
Name of Mother:  (blank)
Age:  82 years, - months, - days
Color: W
Ocupation:  (blank)
Religion:  (blank)
Place of Birth: Scotland
Nationality of Parents:  (blank)
Disease:  (blank)
Direct cause of Death:  Old age
Indirect cause of Death:  (blank)
Physician:  W.J. Bardeck
Last Place of Residence:  36 Brunton
Clergyman:  (blank)
Undertaker:  Black & Wright (Cvd)
Buried in Lot No.  (blank)
Section No. (blank)
Cemetery:  Woodland
Date of record:  Oct 5, 1900

Why did it take nearly a year after her death to compile the death information?  No idea.

[JaneyCanuck]

heh heh ... I mean this mostly in jest, but your Ellen being 82 yrs old on 27 October 1899 is a match with:

Elexis Lockhart born 30 Oct 1816, Lesmahagow, Lanark
(daughter of John Lockhart and Jean McMillan, possibly the family who immigrated to Lanark County, Ontario)

who would have been 83 on 30 October 1899. 

[heiserca]

Fantastic!  Thank you, thank you, Janey.  Elexis.  Whoever came up with that name?  And no wonder we haven't found her before!

[JaneyCanuck]

Seriously - I spoke mainly in jest.

The three daughters, Ann, Margaret and Elexis, were born in Lesmahagow, Lanark, Scotland.

There are marriages there for an Ann and two Margarets, but only the one birth in that specific location for each name. So whether that is the Lockhart family who went to Canada ......................... ? Odds are against, but the Lockhart family in Canada did have a daughter Margaret, who may have been born in Scotland (or been a replacement for a daughter Margaret born in Scotland).

On the other hand, that Elexis (a variant of Alexis I would think) could always have travelled alone to North America and become Ellen ...

Pure and utter speculation and only valuable as candidates to investigate!

I do strongly suggest contacting the person who posted the message on line (see the link a couple of pages back) saying they are a descendant of Thomas Cavers (husband or son of the Margaret Lockhart in Lanark County, Ontario), to see whether they know anything about the Lockhart family there.

edit - duh, thought to look at the 1841 census at Anc'y.

In Lesmahagow, there are no John/Jean Loc*rt of the right age, and no Ann, Margaret or Elexis (or Ellen, or female Alexis) of the right age, although they would likely but not necessarily have been married by 1841. Ditto in 1851 for Loc*rt born or living in Lesmahagow. There are a few other Loc*rts of the age of John and Jean (born in 1790s-early 1800s).

[polarbear]

As JaneyCanuck mentioned earlier, both marriages are apparently on the same film.

The extracts of both are, of course, on familysearch but I have found that the familysearch folks don't necessarily transcribe everything that is in a parish record. I hope you will find something else in the film that will be of assistance in your quest.

PB

[heiserca]

I found an online tree that includes the Elexis Lockhart mentioned here, born 1816 at Lesmahagow.  It shows she died 30 Oct 1840 at Ramsay Township, Ontario!  If that is so, she cannot be my Helen/Ellen Lockart, who died 27 Oct 1899 at Cleveland, Ohio.

[JaneyCanuck]

Well my goodness. Now, that may be the same person I found who said that the mother of Margaret Lockhart (daughter of John) who married in Lanark County, ON, was Jean McMillan -- which was what led me to that Elexis, the other daughter. The info about these people seems reliable.

So ... ruled out, it seems, which is what it's all about. The three unknown daughters, one of whom could have been your Ellen, have been identified and accounted for and ruled out.

The Lockharts John + wife + 3 daughters who immigrated to Ramsay Township, Lanark County, Ontario, in 1821 were not your Lockharts.

And while that may not be the answer one would have hoped for, it is progress!


(It turns out that there are a gazillion trees at Anc'y with the Thomas Cavers Sr. who married Margaret Lockhart, daughter of John, in Lanark County, Ontario, but no other Lockhart daughter info. Two trees say that the Cavers my acquaintance is descended from is a child of Thomas's second marriage -- which is false; his father was John, not Thomas. I gave up using trees at Anc'y as reliable sources a long time ago, after finding that my grx4 grfather who was a parish clerk in Cornwall, where he was hatched, matched and despatched in the 1700s, had a son born in Tennessee, and my Cheshire ancestor had a grandson 250 years older than himself ...)

[heiserca]

Troy, NY was not out-of-the-way from Ontario! The St. Lawrence was closed for much of the winter by ice. The Hudson River & Erie Canal then were the usual route to reach Ontario from the east coast.  Troy was a central spot; all ships passed through Troy, often stopped for food, fuel, repairs. 

2 Lockhart marriages at Second Street Presbyterian Church, in Troy, but they were twelve years apart:

11 June 1840 - Ellen Lockhart m. James Clezie
12 July 1852 - Margaret Lockhart m. Samuel Thompson

No evidence if Ellen & Margaret are from the same family; parents names are not shown in the marriage records.  Dead end again.