Toronto streets, about 1840

[Lisa in California]

Sorry, I've not read your previous posts nor this one too closely.

Do you know when the Clezie's sailed to North America?  Did James' father sail to North America as well?  (Could James have had a brother named George, living in Toronto in 1843?)

One would guess that Ellen would not have made a journey to North America on her own.  Have you tried to find Lockharts in Ontario?  Perhaps her father or brothers may have remained in Toronto (if in fact they actually were living in Canada)?

[heiserca]

Ellen Lockhart was born in Scotland, according to censuses, as also was James Clezie.  

George Clezie was the father of James; they left Scotland, arrived Montreal, July 1832; disappeared 1832-1836.  James appeared in 1836 Toronto directory, 18 Richmond St W, south side, a cabinetmaker.  

James Clezie married Ellen Lockhart, 11 June 1840 at Troy, New York.  I’m told there were no Lockhart families living at Troy until after 1840.  But there were Lockhart families in Toronto, so probably Ellen Lockhart & James Clezie met in Toronto, eloped to Troy.  Just a guess so far... looking for evidence.

After their marriage, James & Ellen returned to Toronto, he is found in directories starting 1844.  Then they moved to Cleveland about 1852, where the 1860 census confirms, Ellen was born in Scotland, 1816.

Back and forth across borders, yet so few traces of where she came from.

[vbain]

There are several Clezie names .
You can go to Worldconnect, then go to advanced search,
then fill in the blank  boxes, with first and last  names.
Click enter and you will see many other names.
They don't necessarily fit in your family, but it might be helpful.

[heiserca]

Oh, they fit alright!  Every single Clezie-Clazie-Clazey-Clazy-Clezy name that we have found is part of the mosaic.  Thank you, vbain, will certainly follow your suggeston.

[vbain]

There are several Clezie names.
If you go to worldconnect, then go to advanced search,
there will be some boxes to put names in.
They will not necessarily be your family, but they will  give you an idea of all the Clezies and their families.

[J.J.]

Um, you already put that on this thread vbain

The Lockhart family could just as well immigrated elsewhere in New York as well...There are several families from Scotland in 1850 N.Y.  ( also a few in Vermont, Massachusetts & New Hampshire) If he was a cabinetmaker he may have been looking further afield for sales...or visiting rellies in U.S.

[JaneyCanuck]

I am just browsing threads and brainstorming. In case anybody comes back!

Have you looked at scotlandspeople for a possible matching birth?

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

There are no Ellen Lockhart births in the time frame, but 1810-1820 (same results for 1812-1818) there are 4 Helen Lockharts. That would be not at all a surprising shift, with a translatlantic trip by people who were probably not literate. (There is also one James Clezie baptism with father George in that timeframe. If that is him, the Scottish record could provide more info that you may not have, like James's mother's full name.)

James and Ellen's children's names could give you a clue about their parents' names, especially if they were Scottish and may have stuck to the naming pattern. You could look at the info for the four baptisms and see whether any stands out as a possible good match. Then, of course, you would have to look for evidence of the parents in Scotland and in Canada, to rule in or out as possibles. You could also look for other children of the couples that you could try to trace in both places to see whether they stayed or left.

I have no extant credits at scotlandspeople to check the basic results, but it would cost very little to do that.

[JaneyCanuck]

Of course much of what is at scotlandspeople is also at familysearch. It has the four Helen Lockhart baptisms.

1. b 1815, Dumbarton, parents John Lockhart, Janet McFarlane
2. b. 1813, Dundonald, parents John Lockhart, Janet Walker
(so if she had kids John and Janet, that won't help!)
3. Helen Sibbald Lockhart, b. 1812, Haddington, parents John Lockhart, Isabella McWilliam
4. b. 1812, Kettle, parents John Lockhart, Margaret Rollo

The original records at SP could also give information about their marriage (I'm  not sure about early parish records before registration).

John Lockhart and Janet McFarlane married 1814, Dumbarton, but there are no details (e.g. fathers' names) at familysearch.

If she was accurate when she said 1816 as her dob (it's always possible!), #1 would be the most likely (Aug 1815 = census dob of 1816).

That couple also had children
Charles McGlashan Lockhart, 1816, Dumbarton
Duncan Lockhart, 1818, Dumbarton

and you can sarch at familysearch for children with the other parents in that time and place.

Not saying these are your people, just that these baptisms could be a fruitful path to wander down!


For good measure, there is James Clezie, b. 1816, Edrom, Berwick, parents George Clezie, Jean Lockie. Also:

Isabella Clezie, 1829, Edinburgh
George Clezie, 1825, Edinburgh
Janet Cleazie, 1825, Edinburgh (twins)
Agnes Clezie, 1814, Edrom

[heiserca]

Thank you, JaneyCanuck.  Scotland’s People has indeed been searched: found several possibilities there but nothing definite.

James Clezie & Ellen Lockhart married at Troy, New York, 11 June 1840.  The best guess so far is that they met in Toronto and eloped.  But it is only a guess.  Their children were:

James (after the father)

George Alexander (George Clezie was James Clezie’s father; Alexander Lockie was James’s maternal grandfather, Alexander Lockie)

Margaret Jane (James Clezie’s mother was alternately called Jane / Jean)

Mary (origin unknown)

Helen Orr (that’s what the cemetery inscription said, but it might have been intended as Eleanor, a form of Ellen)

William James (source of William is unknown; James from the father)

Eleanor (again, presumably a form of the mother’s name)

There were no Johns, and no Janets in this family, so the first two possibles from Scotland’s People seem doubtful.  The 4th one seems viable because it included a Margaret, the name given by James Clezie & Ellen Lockhart to their first daughter.

James Clezie, b. 1816 at Edrom, Berwickshire is the husband of Ellen Lockhart and father of the above-named children.

The births you mentioned at Edinburgh:
Isabella Clezie, 1829
George Clezie, 1825 & Janet Cleazie, 1825 (twins)
Agnes Clezie, 1814, Edrom
are all children of  George Clezie & Jean/Jane Lockie, so they were siblings of James Clezie.

The twins, George & Janet, born in 1825, both died at Edinburgh in Nov & Dec, 1831.  Then on 26 July 1832 a passenger list showed "Mrs. Clazie and 3 children above 12 years"  travelling from Quebec to Montreal on the steamship “John Molson”.  So, the entire family must have left Scotland between Dec 1831 - July 1832.