Toronto streets, about 1840

[JaneyCanuck]

Indeed, cosmac, I have pointed out early in this very thread that not all parish records survive ... Perhaps there were an Alexander Lockhart and a Mary who married and had children in a parish all of whose records are not accessible. I would just note that I searched at FS for Alexander Lockhart + Mary marriages and births back to 1790, being well aware that women often had children over a long period of time, and knowing that our Ellen was born somewhere around 1816 ... and the earliest dates I found were as noted above.


Heiserca -- the "two lines" you describe are not even necessarily two different families.

Jane who married Robert Leach could well be a sister of your Ellen, and they could both have reached Troy from Lanark County, Ontario, and be part of the family of John who arrived in 1821. Robert c1824 in Troy could be a later child as well.

That's a bit of a stretch, of course! And oh, oops, not -- Jane was apparently born in 1826, after that familiy left Scotland, yes ...

I'm familiar with the surname Leach in Renfrew County, adjacent to Lanark County, west of Ottawa. Lots and lots of Scottish settlers in both places - as you can tell from the county names! (Perth county is southwest of toronto, of course.)

[JaneyCanuck]

All details being a good thing -- the gravestone of John Lockhart Senr. who settled in Ramsay Tnshp says he died 21 Feb 1871 at the age of 78, making him likely born in 1792, and that he was a native of Lanark, Scotland.
http://www.bytown.net/auldkirk.htm

The death shows in the Anc'y index as LOCKART.

If he was a Sr, then there was a Jr. The John born in 1830 who died in Lanark County in 1902? He is shown as John LOCHART in 1901 at automatedgenealogy. He appears to be Uncle in the household of Henry Cavers 1845 and Jennie Cavers 1846.

Henry or Jennie must be a child of a daughter (or son) of John Lockhart Sr.? Hm. Jennie Young married Henry Cavers in Lanark County. Did a daughter of John Lockhart Sr. marry a Mr. Young? John Sr's children would have married before 1869 when the index starts (Henry and Jennie Cavers being born 1845-6, also before the index). ... Jennie Young was likely Jane Young in 1861 in Lanark County, born 1846. The names are interchangeable.

What I'm getting at is: if you could find any descendant of the John Lockhart who settled in Lanark County, Ontario ... . This John Lockhart in 1901 who seems maybe to be the Jr to the Sr -- knowing which of Henry and Jennie Chavers he was uncle to would be a start. (edited because I twice said John Young in this para when I meant John Lockhart.)

And that gravestone doesn't look like something that was erected in 1871 -- it's pretty brand new as of when the photo was taken. Would someone local, possibly a descendant, have been involved?


FS offers two possibles:

John born 31 Dec 1792 in Carluke, William Lockhart and Anne Fleming
John born on 05 May 1792 in Lanark, John Lockhart and Janet Wilson
and the next closest
John born 22 Aug 1791 in Lanark, John Lockhart and Jean Paterson

For marriages, it offers (and here is where my geography is too poor):

Agnes Dallas, 03 Apr 1808, Glasgow, Lanark
Agnes Storry, 12 Nov 1814, Barony, Lanark
Jean Mcmillan, 12 Aug 1816, Lesmahagow, Lanark
Janet Anderson, 08 Feb 1818, Lanark, Lanark
Euphemia Morton, 08 Nov 1818, Barony, Lanark
Christian Miller, 08 Nov 1818, Glasgow, Lanark

but there is no daughter *len shown for any of them. One would have to poke around more to try to rule them all out, for example. For instance, John Lockhart and Janet Anderson had children in 1827, and later, in Lanark (if they are the same couple ...).

[heiserca]

Hmmm... coincidence?  The Lockharts might be falling into place, on opposite sides of Lake Ontario:

- John Lockhart, wife and 3 daughters, names unknown, all arrived from Lanark, Scotland, 1821, settled at Ramsay Township, just west of Ottawa.

- Twenty years later, three Lockharts, Robert, John & Jane - maybe siblings, all lived at or near Troy, New York, same time, same place that Ellen/Helen Lockhart m. James Kerr Clezie; records say they were born in Canada, while Ellen, slightly older, was born in Scotland.

Ottawa to Troy, not very far apart, connected by Lake Ontario.  Waterways were the most efficient highways of the time, before railways took over.  Hmmm... 2+2=?

[JaneyCanuck]

Cross in the post again, so I'll add this first:

Ottawa to Troy is actually overland -- Troy is in the far east of NY State, right up against Massachusetts, well away from Lake Ontario, and an odd place to go from either Toronto or the Ottawa area. When I have driven it myself, I've crossed the St Lawrence at Massena NY, then driven down the Lake Champlain waterway -- from Ottawa in the olden days, it could have been the Ottawa River to Montreal, and then down.

I actually would query whether that Ellen Lockhart in Troy had anything to do with Canada at all, just because Troy is such an odd place to end up. But apparently either she or James Crezie or both did have some connection with Toronto, from the other info you have.

Anyhow -- see below re Jane.

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From FS, 1861 Ontario census

Jane Young, 15/1846, Ramsay, Lanark, sheet 57, line 2
Stephen Young, 17/1844, same, line 1
Robert Young, 14/1848, same, line 3

I can't find any other Young of an age to be a parent on the same or preceding page. Have to look at Anc'y!

Can't find Henry Cavers in earlier censuses. He's a farmer in Ramsay in 1901, born in Ontario, with daughter Jennie E, Jr., 1880. Jeannie Cavers is the only birth showing to the couple in the index.

I also know the name Cavers in that neck of the woods. (Someone with the same name as a person born c1850 in the censuses.)


1860
John Lockhart 67/1793, born Scotland; Ramsay, Lanark, sheet 67, line 11,
John Lockhart 31/1830, single, born Ontario ... line 12
(i.e. no wife on page; shown as widowed in 1871)
Jane Lockhart, 35/1826, single, born Ontario ... line 13

>> so this knocks out the Jane who married Robert Leach in NY as one of this family, since that Jane was born in Scotland, and more to the point, married in the US in 1853. Same year of birth though! Unless something dreadful happened between 1853 and 1860 and she went home (and somebody in NY state in 1850 just inferred from her accent that she was born in Scotland). I sure haven't been able to find Jane and Robert Leach in censuses in the US or Canada.


No other Lockharts in Ramsay in 1871.

1881
John Lockhart Jr is in Ramsay; no other Lockharts there.


Aha, the Cavers connection in Ramsay.

Thomas Cavers born c1849 married in 1874 -- mother Margaret Lockhart, father Thomas Cavers.
Henry Cavers 1846 must be another son of the couple. Yes, marriage to Jennie Young in 1878 shows parents as just Thomas and Margaret Cavers.
Margaret Cavers must be a daughter of John Lockhart who immigrated in 1821, and a sister of John Lockhart Jr 1830, who was uncle to Henry Cavers.
Margaret Lockhart and Thomas Cavers also had a child William Cavers who married Margaret Young in 1856 in Ramsay.
If you ever do need to find descendants of this Lockhart clan, you have lots of male Cavers to be getting on with.

1881
Margret Cavers, 56/1825, widowed, born Ontario, living in Beckwith, Lanark



fixed some typos

[JaneyCanuck]

Amazingly, I have discovered that the Cavers with whom I am acquainted is indeed a descendant of the Lanark Cavers, and in particular of a son of the very person I had in mind born c1850.

However, the father of that c1850 Cavers, who married in Perth, Lanark, Ontario, was not Thomas Cavers who married Margaret Lockhart. He was a John Cavers shown in the 1861 census in Bathurst, Lanark, as born 1816 in Scotland.

I can't locate the Thomas Cavers + Margaret Lockhart household in 1861, but I would be fairly confident that Thomas Cavers, son-in-law of John Lockhart born c1793 in Scotland, was a brother of John Cavers born 1816 in Scotland.

I haven't seen the descendant in quite a few years, but he is named in his parent's recent obituary, so he's still around someplace! And I see what looks like his uncle in the phone book on line. One of them might know about descendants of Thomas, brother of their own Cavers ancestor in Lanark County, who was the husband of Margaret Lockhart, daughter of John c1793 Scotland who immigrated to Canada in 1821 with three daughters.

I think I've got that right ...

The generations seem to be very long in that family, and names kept in the male line, so it might be a good bet that there's family knowledge floating around.

Well my goodness.

http://www.cults.freeserve.co.uk/ancestry/dougfam/pafg04.htm#23158

"Thomas (Cavers) married (1) Margaret LOCKHART. Margaret was born in 1820 in Scotland. She died in 1848 in Appleton, Lanark, Ontario, Canada."

The Cavers family is from Roxburgh, but there is no other info there about Margaret Lockhart's family.

And the other Cavers I'm talking about is also there (I'm just being cagey to protect the living's privacy), and was indeed the brother of the Cavers who married Margaret Lockhart.

Ah, possibly even easier:
http://resources.rootsweb.com/~guestbook/cgi-bin/public_guestbook.cgi?gb=1500&action=view
a message from a descendant of Thomas Cavers, with email address.

That means she is a descendant of Margaret Lockhart, and might possibly have info about that Lockhart family that would rule them out as yours ... or not.

[cosmac]

What proof do you have that George was James' father and his mother Jane Lockie?  Marriage certificate didn't have parents - did his death certificate?

You are assuming that the passenger list for Mrs. Clazie and 3 children in 1832 are yours and that James emigrated with his parents.  Do you have any indication of his parents in Canada or the U.S.?

Have you explored the possibility that James emigrated directly to the U.S. and was not in Canada until after his marriage and that his parents remained in Scotland?  On that same thought Ellen's emigration might have been directly to the U.S. as well and it was not inconceivable that she emigrated alone or with a group of people who resided in her area of Scotland but were not family related.

Debbie


Added: Now find George and Jane on the 1861 census Toronto.  Still ,how do you get to the Lockie marriage?

[JaneyCanuck]

conflicting info at some bit of Anc'y:

"Born in Almonte, Lanark, Ontario, Canada on 1825 to John Lockhart and Jane McMillian. Margaret married Thomas Cavers and had 3 children. She passed away on 4 Feb 1897 in Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada."

I think the death is all wrong. (Well, I dunno. Margaret Cavers born c1825 Canada, per the informant, died 1897 in Beckwith, Lanark. She might have been a replacement Margaret? Where did the info at that site about her dying in 1848 in Appleton come from?)

But a mother's name - ! Which could of course also be wrong, if this is just somebody plucking a Lockhart out of the air. I've seen that pair in the parish records.

John Lockhart and Jean McMillan married 12 Aug 1816 in Lesmahagow and had children, per familysearch:
Elexis Lockhart 30 Oct 1816, Lesmahagow, Lanark female
Ann Lockhart, 1816, Lesmahagow, Lanark

Elexis ... could have got called Ellen ... ?

Also in Lesmahagow, to John Lockhart and Janet Millar:
Margret Lockhart 15 Sept 1820
No marriage for that one; could it be a mistranscription of McMillan?

Kinda interesting ...

[JaneyCanuck]

cosmac, I was saying the same thing about Ellen: independent (or otherwise) immigration directly from Scotland to the US has to be considered.

A migratory trajectory from Scotland to either Lanark County or York, Ontario, and then to Albany, NY, is just a little odd.

But there does seem to be evidence that James and Ellen Crezie were in Toronto, or have I remembered that wrong?

[JaneyCanuck]

cosmac: parish record at FS

James Clezie 11 Jan 1816 christened Edrom, Berwick, Scotland
parents George Clezie, Jean Lockie

marriage of Jean Lockie and George Clezie, 20 Jun 1813, Edrom, Berwick

I and heiserca listed the children of the marriage a couple of pages back.
(edit - posts 16 and 17 on page 2)


(heiserca, you know that Jane, Jean, Jennie, Jennet, Janet ... are all interchangeable)