Please help! Elizabeth Hopkins are you mine?

[DavidTaylor]

Hello all:

Shot in the dark here, but I've hit a major brick wall..... My main line, the Taylor's of Well Street in Hackney has been traced to George Taylor, plumber, (1783-1836) who was buried in St Johns at Hackney and lived as far as we know, on Well Street his entire life. George was married to Grace Manning.

The trouble has been when I've attempted to go beyond George. I've tried on my own and utilized several professionals and spend many hundreds of pounds with nothing to show. I've been told that because Taylor is such a common name, especially in London, and also because it appears I come from a long line of George Taylors that any trace further back is difficult if not impossible. I recently spent 400 pounds and 6 months with a well know researcher who's initials are AA. He found NOTHING new.

Now to my title. A name which has come up a few times as a possible mother for George Taylor is Elizabeth Hopkins. I've never given it much credence because I haven't found any solid proof other than some dates fitting.

Elizabeth Hopkins married George Taylor November 22, 1783. in Hackney .She was 20 years old.

There was a George Taylor baptised at St Andrews, Holborn, Camden to a Betty and George Taylor.. If this Betty is actually Elizabeth Hopkins, it appears they had baby George and were married after the fact. Obviously I'm hypothesizing, but this could also be reason the baptised the baby in Holborn, but were married in Hackney.

This is all I have. Not much to go on I know, but I'm hoping some of the good minds on here can help find solid information that Elizabeth "Betty" Hopkins and George Taylor are the parents of MY George Taylor (1783-1836) of Well Street in Hackney. 

Thank you


parents:   George Taylor,​ Betty
name:   George Taylor
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   23 Feb 1783
baptism/christening place:   SAINT ANDREW,HOLBORN,LONDON,ENGLAND
father's name:   George Taylor
mother's name:   Betty
indexing project (batch) number:   P01051-6
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   374355

[rosie99]

The baptism that you quote gives the following information
St Andrew Holborn - 23rd February 1783
George son of George and Betty Taylor      Peters Street

Added - There is an earlier christening at St Andrew

2nd January 1780
Mary Middleton dtr of George and Betty Middleton Taylor  Peters Street   




Rosie

[rosie99]

Do you have proof that his parents are George and Elizabeth 

Have you discounted this christening

St Mary, Islington
29th August 1783 - George Taylor
unfortunately no other information given

OR
St Mathew Bethnal Green
18th January 1782
George son of David (Lidea alec)    Taylor   (occ) Cooper  born 28th December

[DavidTaylor]

Hi Rosie! Thanks so much. I'm not really sure of anything . All stabs in the dark hoping to find something that sticks. I guess any of the ones you mentioned could fit. I don't have any of the names Of George's siblings so unless I can find reference to what I do know, Well Street, Hackney.. Or St John of Hackney, I can't be sure of anything... SO frustrating

[DavidTaylor]

Hello.. revisiting this post...

The marriage of George Taylor and Elizabeth Hopkins in 1783 lists one of the witnesses as Reb. A. Taylor....

I assume this was George's sister but I suppose could have been a cousin etc...

Going on the sister assumption I searched for Rebecca Taylor's born in the 1750-1765 and found this to be a possible match..

parents:   John Taylor,​ Hannah
name:   Rebecca Taylor
gender:   Female
baptism/christening date:   1763
baptism/christening place:   ST. JAMES', WESTMINSTER, MIDDLESEX, ENGLAND
birth date:   1763
father's name:   John Taylor
mother's name:   Hannah
indexing project (batch) number:   C13550-7
system origin:   England-VR
source film number:   1042308

I used the batch number and other items to see if I could find a george with the same parents and the same church, but couldn't see anything...

Then I tried to see if she had a brother named Christian Taylor which would possibly make her George's cousin...

See post... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,619978.msg4685402.html#msg4685402

Also no luck..

Any thoughts, help, etc?

Thanks

[DavidTaylor]

The baptism that you quote gives the following information
St Andrew Holborn - 23rd February 1783
George son of George and Betty Taylor      Peters Street

Added - There is an earlier christening at St Andrew

2nd January 1780
Mary Middleton dtr of George and Betty Middleton Taylor  Peters Street   




Rosie

Rosie.. Is there a marriage date for this Betty Middleton and George Taylor or death record? I'm trying to think of anything that may have his profession OR something that shows them living in Hackney in later years? Thanks



Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Birth, Baptism & Christening

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NAME:
Mary Middleton Taylor
MOTHER:
Betty Middleton Taylor
FATHER:
Geo Taylor
BAPTISM:
1780 - London


Pallot's Baptism Index for England: 1780 - 1837
Birth, Baptism & Christening


.
NAME:
Geo Taylor
MOTHER:
Betty Taylor
FATHER:
Geo Taylor
BAPTISM:
1783 - London

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Birth, Baptism & Christening

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NAME:
Mary Middleton Taylor
PARENTS:
George Taylor
Betty Middleton Taylor
BAPTISM:
2 Jan 1780 - St Andrew, Holborn, London, England


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Birth, Baptism & Christening


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NAME:
Elizabeth Maynard Taylor
PARENTS:
George Taylor
Betty Middleton Taylor
BAPTISM:
16 Jul 1781 - St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England


London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Birth, Baptism & Christening


.
NAME:
George Taylor
PARENTS:
George Taylor
Betty Taylor
BAPTISM:
23 Feb 1783 - St Andrew, Holborn, London, England

[rosie99]

St James, Clerkenwell
George Taylor of this Parish
Betty Middleton Bodle of this parish
28th June 1779
after Banns - Both signed their names
Wit. Michael Humphreys & John Garth

............................
St John the Baptist, Clerkenwell
Burial
2 February 1800
Betty Middleton Taylor age 45
From St Sepulchres

[penne]

Here I am popping up again David, you have some interesting names with these families, I have most of them in mine too, now to find just where they might match up.

[jomcd967]

Hi David, what are the earliest records that you have to place George in Well Street please?
Jo 

Also, the known names of his children?