Massively confused about Joseph Botcherby!

[littlebootsy]

Hi all

I'm researching my mum's side of the family and have come up against something that's confused me no end...

I found a baptism entry for my 3rd Great Grandfather Joseph Botcherby for the 5th October 1834, however I can't find a birth register entry for him.

I know he lived in Washington for most of his life and married Hannah Dodds in 1858. they had 4 children, Richard in 1860, Ralph in 1862, Joseph jr (my 2nd Great Grandfather) in 1865 and Elizabeth in 1869.

Hannah re-marries in 1874 to a Joseph Walker and I have her living with him in 1881 with hers and Joseph Botcherby's children and his children from a pervious marriage.

I can't seem to find Joseph Botcherby's death certificate though, or anything relating to his death!

HOWEVER... Something confused me slightly. In 1871 I have Joseph living back with his parents Richard and Mary, but there's someone called George Harris, who is listed as the head's Grandson, but Joseph's son... Is this an error?

How do I find out when Joseph died? I know it was between 1871 and I'm assuming 1874 when Hannah re-married.

Unless Hannah re-married because Joseph had a mystery son who appeared on the scene so left him!

Sorry for the confusing and lengthy post... I just have no idea how to find out when Joseph died

[stanmapstone]

Welcome to RootsChat
Birth Registrations started 1st July 1837.

Stan

[littlebootsy]

Hi Stan

That would be why I can't find his birth entry! I didn't know that, thank you  I still have his baptism record though so that's not really a bother.

I'm more concerned about not being able to find his death entry! Or who this mystery "George Harris" person is.

I'm baffled

[keyboard86]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat, re the"Grandson" on the 1871 he is clearly shown as the Grandson of the head of the household ie Richard, so it would appear that one of Joseph's sisters married a Harris, ie Mary Botcherby to (on same page) Henry Harris June 1856 Chester le Street 10a 451

Keyboard86

[JenB]

HOWEVER... Something confused me slightly. In 1871 I have Joseph living back with his parents Richard and Mary, but there's someone called George Harris, who is listed as the head's Grandson, but Joseph's son... Is this an error?

Welcome from me as well  

But George Harris isn't listed on the 1871 census as Joseph's son. He is simply entered as Richard and Mary's grandson.

Edit - sorry keyboard, you've already covered that 

[sillgen]

Did you notice that in 1971 Joseph is shown as "Imbecile"?     That almost certainly means he had some sort of mental health problems and was unable to live alone and support his wife and family so he has returned to his parents.  
Andrea

[JenB]

I think the Joseph you are looking at in 1871 is unmarried, looking at the original image.

He is living with the Harris family in 1881 (RG 11 / 4983 / 92 / 1 )

[littlebootsy]

Hi all!

Ok that covers up the George Harris issue.
Regarding that, on Ancestry it says on the 1871 census that Joseph is his father, but that is obviously a mistake.

Name:   George Harris
Age:   14
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1857
Relation:   Grandson
Father's Name:   Joseph Batcherby


Sillgen - I did not realise he was! This is interesting... Mental health issues are known in my family. My mother has schizophrenia. Very interesting indeed considering it's apparently hereditory!

Jen B - Are you sure? I'll have to look at that, I couldn't find an 1881 census for Joseph Botcherby!

[sillgen]

You might be right JenB.  I looked at it and thought it was an amended Mar but it could be Unmar.
Littlebootsy - Do you have a marriage certificate to confirm Joseph's father's name?  No point in chasing up the wrong tree.
Andrea

PS   Always look at the original image - never trust the transcriptions!