place name

[tac]

hi jaycey,got it,your susanah lived till a good age,thanks for letting me take a look,cant see any names that ring a bell but its worth keeping in mind.

[despair]

Couldn't everything make a lot more sense if William Richard(s),the husband of Hannah,was the brother of Sophia Priscilla on the 1871 Furnace,Sguborycoed census?He is given as born Talybont as,I think Hannah,s husband is in 1911,if it is him with the Shugars in Pontypridd 1911.There is an apparent couple of years difference,but I'm not sure William(or Lydia Harriet) were ever really traced.This would also put him relatively geographically close to Hannah.

Regards
Roger

[jaycey]

That sounds interesting and could be a strong possibility - more research needed....  I'll get on it when I get a spare moment.

[Gadget]

Just to bring forward the 1871 entry and the link with the Jones family:

Here's the 1871 entry:

Furnace, Sguborycoed
Elizabeth Richard, unm, 58, works with farmers, b. Llanfihangelgenauglin (as written!)
Sophiah Prisila Richard, daur, 13, b. Aberystwith (do)
William Richard, son, 10, b. Talybont
Lidia Harriet Richard, daur, 8, b. do



PS - could this Elizabeth be the Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Jones, that osprey found on the 1891

Pentrebach, Ysgubor y Coed, Cards RG12/4586 folio 4 pg 1
Thomas Jones head 53 labourer b. Sguborycoed (deaf & dumb)
Elizabeth wife 63 b. Llanfihangel
Elizabeth J Williams granddau 6 b. Merionethshire, Parish of Dolgelley

Age is a 10 years out but census ages are odd!

[despair]

Some minor reinforcement re location/place names.In 1901 (5154 47  2),William is given as born Eglwysfach.The following article demonstrates the equivalence of locations concerned(and may explain the occasional Llanfihangel and Edwin)
http://website.lineone.net/~dyfival1/histegfurn.htm

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Possible locations 1881,all Pennal sub district Machynlleth

5478  75  6 -William

5478  18  6 - Hannah

5478  137  1 - Hannah's mother and brother?
(Family together previously "Aber Anghell,Mallwyd- 1871 - 5688  6  4)

Regards
Roger

[tac]

Some minor reinforcement re location/place names.In 1901 (5154 47  2),William is given as born Eglwysfach.The following article demonstrates the equivalence of locations concerned(and may explain the occasional Llanfihangel and Edwin)
http://website.lineone.net/~dyfival1/histegfurn.htm

Regards
Roger

hi roger,so are you saying that if someone was born in eglwysfach that could mean they were born in Sguborycoed,sorry if thats a dumb question but it is quite confusing for people who do not know wales places.

[Gadget]

Hi tac

I checked this out when I first found the 1871 family.

From Geunki:

Eglwys Fach [chapelry],see  Llanfihangel Genau'r-Glyn

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/indexpars.html

then

"LLANVIHANGEL GENEU'R GLYN (LLAN-VI-HANGEL-GENAU-Y-GLYN), a parish in the upper division of the hundred of GENEU'R GLYN, county of CARDIGAN, SOUTH WALES, 5 miles (N. E.) from Aberystwith, comprising the townships of Ceulan and Maesmawr, Cyvoeth y Brenhin, Cynnullmawr, Hênllys ,Scybor y Coed, and Tîrmynych, each of which supports its own poor, and containing 3576 inhabitants.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanfihangelGenaur-Glyn/

I meant to put it up on the thread but we must have moved on to talking about  jaycey's tree and then I went away for a while.

I do believe that I have a couple of cousins (one from each side) living in that area 

[tac]

thanks brevitas,boy its so confusing,what i really need to do now it find elizabeths birth then hopefully i can go from there.