place name

[tac]

jaycey, do you know if margaret(susanahs sister)married a rees morris and lived in london

[tac]

hi,does any one live near mynwent y garn ,bow street to check this grave or is there a way i could check it,as it looks like there is an Ann Richards died 1885 in the same plot as sophia(2a 48)

last week i emailed the cemetary and had a lovely email back this morning with pictures of the grave. Ann richards fathers name is richard richards talybont,there is nothing on the gravestone saying what relation ann is to sophia ,and the lady who emailed me suggested looking at the census,s

[nestagj]

Good morning Tac

Unfortuntely one of the photos is too out of focus but here is the other one; the writing is very hard to decipher but I think it says:

To Wille J Richards
wel dearest i fachgen dyma yr hen faddam crismas wedi dweud i (wel) i.  i mae dada yn cofio atat yn annwyl iawn to wille j.

I think this reads

" To Wille J Ricards well dearest boy the old madam crismas (someone's nickname I think) has told me to see her (?).  Dear daddy sends his kindest regards to wille j."

Here they are ? -hope this works (!)

[nestagj]

and the other one

You  know the one of wattstown colliery - if you google it then you will see that there was a mining disaster there in 1905..........which card has that pic on.  I wonder if there is a connection.

The info on the gravestone is interesting - we may be able to go a bit further now.  Do you want to post the pic - I will do it for you if you want.

Better get to work now - speak later

Nesta

[tac]

hi,yes it does say disaster on the wattstown card.that is the card that was to out of focus to read,so i have tried again and will send it to you.

re the gravestone,i have looked but yet again there are so many richard richards and ann richards(born 1837) its real hard to know who is who

[nestagj]

Hello

got it - looks better now.  Such a shame there is no address on the gravestone !

I think its talking about the pit disaster - sorry its so unclear.

Dyma lin y pylle ond dim yn lin dda nid y pwll (? ) i ddwi dewis y llall ond bod y ddim yn mind in (?) ond ddim y llall (?) (hepeno) mind fel (?) (?).
mi gaf well llun na hun i chi os medru gael un.

" Here is a picture of the pits but it is not a good picture.  It is not the pit (? ) I chose the other because it is not going but not the other (?) happens like.  I will get a picture if I can.

I will ask one of the welsh speakers off the cymraeg forum to have a look to see if they can make more sense than I can.

Hi despair - yes the problem has been all along that we cannot get a decent match for Hannah Jones - we even know that they had been married 21 years in the 1911 census - confirmed by both as they are in different places on census night so they have completed them independently.  I had discounted them because of the birthplace as Jaycey seems sure of the cemmaes birth.  I will have more time later - I think I am going to draw a tree (!) of what we know and what we are unsure of ........

Nesta

Nesta

[despair]

Again,apologies if I am wrong,but the data from jaycey seems to imply to me

1861  4184  72  7
1871  5552  33  9

and an 1887 marriage in the Lampeter registration district as per the 1871 above.This Hannah Jones is given as born Llawenog(near Lampeter) on the 1871
and is not consistent with the birthplace of Hannah Richards on the later censuses.She is however the only Hannah Jones who marries a William Richards in the general area in the general time frame,which may be how it was arrived at?

jaycey-does the birth certificate for Susannah Sophia give the mother as Hannah Jones or Hannah,formerly Jones(or similar?)

Regards
Roger

[tac]

hi,roger,thank you,will have a look ,but jaycey is away for a couple of days,we will have to wait till she gets back to see .

[despair]

Given the comments re ages-"both are given as 27"(another inconsistency)- this could be the result of the Lampeter marriage:-

1891  4552  40  11

Regards
Roger