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[Gadget]

Hello tac

The death cert won't show where she was born.  We know the date of death, the place of death and her age. Given that Elizabeth Jane was granted probate, it is also likely that she was the informant, so the only knew thing on it would be the cause of death.

It might be worth getting William and Hannah's marriage cert as well, though.

[tac]

morning Brevitas,yes i thought of getting william and hannahs wedding cert but i cant find a marriage as yet

[Gadget]

Been having a look around~

Given on the 1901 their elder children were born in the Ystradyfodwg area, the most likely marriage is this one:

Sep q, 1889, Merthyr Tydfil, vol11a 832

William Richards and Hannah Owen on the same page.

As a check, you might have to get one of the children's birth certs  first to get hannah's maiden surname:

Susannah Sophia Richards, Sep q 1896, Aberystwyth vol 11b page 51

I'll see if I can find a Hannah Owen b. Cemmaes on the earlier censuses so bear with me.

Added - the Genes Reunited 1911 free index has Hannah born Aberangell, Merioneth - a bit further to the north east  from Cemmaes 

[osprey]

1891 for William

29 Rhys St, Home Penrhys, Ystradyfodwg RG12/4428 folio 12 pg 21
William Richards head mar 29 collier b. Aberteifi
Hannah wife 26 b. Drefaldwyn Mont
Elizabeth dau 9 months b. Glamorganshire
Ann Morgans servant 24 b. Heislonydd Merion
all Welsh speaking
It looks like someone crossed out the enumerator's attempts at the county names in Welsh and put Mont & Merion

BMds for Ystradyfodwg would have been registered at Pontypridd, so
William Richards sept qtr 1890 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 819 with Hannah Ashton on the same page
or
William Thomas Richards march qtr 1891 vol 11a pg 794 with Hannah Lloyd on the same page - unlikely as the Thomas hasn't been seen before
The marriage is either in one the parish churches not covered by Glam index on the new Familysearch, or it's registry office or registrar attended , so non-conformist.

[Gadget]

Hi osprey

Just popped in!

I saw those entries a while ago and the Hannah Ashton marriage - nothing comes up for either Owen(s) or Ashton in the earlier censuses though. Nearest is an Annie Ashton daughter of a shoemaker in Machynlleth.

[osprey]

I've just been looking for Hannah Ashton as well without success. Bother! Mind you, given this family's track record, perhaps they didn't marry.

 

(No offence meant    )

[Gadget]

I see that Ystradyfodwg changed hands a few times - to 1863 it was in Merthyr, then 1863-1897 it was Pontypridd and then it was in Rhondda! Wish they didn't do that.

I've now been through all the Hannahs (no surname) b. either Montgomeryshire or Merionethshire circa 1865 on the 1871 and 1881 and none of them look promising. I think I'll give up on this Hannah search - things to do.

Added - forgot to say that the best match for William on the 1881 - RG11/5478/75/6 born Ysguborcoed  - aged 19,  a farm servant in the household of a William James, Towyn

[nestagj]

Don't know i this has been listed before but in Penybont, Clarach in 1901
William 38 b Eglwysfach
Hannah 36 b Cemmaes
Eliz. H 10   b Trealaw (just round the corner from some of my lot ! )
Jane 9  b Trealaw
Margaret E 7 b Towyn
Gwen M 5 b Towyn
Susannah S 4 b LLanbadarn Fawr
William J 1 b LLanbadarn Fawr

They are at the same address in 1911 apart from Susanah who is a servant with another Richards' family at Bow Street and William (snr) who is back at Rhys Street, Trealaw as a boarder.

Had a look for a Wm Richards marrying a Hannah Jones - noting what Tac had said earlier about Hannah being a Jones

also  williams wife hannah has a maiden name of jones and she was born in cemmaes;D.

but the only one is in London and not the right date as they both state on the 1911 that they were married 21 years !

Ah well I think i'll try and find Lydia later on.

Nesta

[tac]

hi all, i know that hannahs maiden name is jones,it on A****** in some ones family tree