place name

[tac]

hi brevitas, will phone her now

[tac]

hi,just phoned and she said it say Mr w.j. richards and the date is 1912 and not 1905,also she has another postcard addressed to Mr w.j.richards 1906

[Gadget]

The reason I ask is that none of the censuses that I've looked at have the elder William listed as William J, whereas the son is listed as William J(ohn)  in both cases (from 1911 free index). Also, on the free index, Susannah S(ophia) is away from home.

In 1906, young William J would be 7-8 - maybe he was M(aste)r  J W Richards. Formal titles were usually  used in letters, etc. in those days (even in the 1950s, when I was a lass, I can remember writing to a cousin as Master ................  )

Maybe something in the messages on the postcards might help to identify the sender and the receiver.

[Gadget]

Have tried to find more info on the marriage that Nesta found last evening:

Elizabeth Richards married Thomas Jones in the last quarter of 1871 in the Machynlleth Reg district.

However, it looks as if it might have been non-C of E so the only way of finding out who Elizabeth's father was is to order the cert -

The full  GRO ref is Dec q, 1871, Machynlleth, vol 11b 355

[nestagj]

Still can't see anything suitable in 1861 - but going through the later census' it looks like we have two William Richards born in Talybont in 1860 !

Also I have a feeling that Elizabeth was a widow rather than unmarried;

ah well back to work. See you later !

Nesta

[Gadget]

Hi Nesta

Later censuses (and tac) suggest that William was born circa 1863-4. Also, the 1871, has Elizabeth as definiteley 'unm' - unmarried  - see attached

[tac]

hi,yes i will order that marriage cert,
The william of the postcards was born in eglwysfach in 1863,so perhaps he wasnt the brother of sophia,but i couldnt understand why these cards were at my s.i.l grandmas house if there wasnt a connection to her and sophia,also  williams wife hannah has a maiden name of jones and she was born in cemmaes;D.
what i find odd is that sophia was only a domestic and could not have earned much,so where did she get the monies from to open up a shop.

[nestagj]

hello just to say I haven;t been around this evening - had a nice meal with family.....will look some more tomorrow
Nesta

[tac]

morning all,going to order the wedding cert today but do you think it might be worth ordering sophia,s death cert to find out where she was born.