place name

[tac]

Another thought,if the last name of the  mother of elizabeth was richards where did elizabeth get the surname williams from.

[nestagj]

Hi

I think the Isaac Richards in the Probate Register is the one from the 1871 census entry earlier; by 1881 he is in Trefeirig with his wife, Josiah age 26 and Evan M age 15.

Oh dear - too many Richards'

Got to go- back later

Nesta

[Gadget]

Hi Tac

Can you check Elizabeth's first marriage on the BMDs. She definitely married a Jenkins,  as that is the surname she used when she married for the second time,   but there's something puzzling me about his first name. Also, was her name definitely Williams on this first marriage cert?

hi,
The first marriage was to John Jenkins in Nov 1903,in the congregational chapel, baker st ,aberystwith,the witness,s were Mary Evans and Ann Williams.at the time of marriage elizabeth was living at Pandy Furnace,Glandovey.no father on cert.

[Gadget]

Ok  - found it. She's down as Lizzie J  - search didn't pick it up although I checked alternatives!


Dec q 1903, Aberystwyth, 11b 130

Hi Nesta

Hi

I think the Isaac Richards in the Probate Register is the one from the 1871 census entry earlier; by 1881 he is in Trefeirig with his wife, Josiah age 26 and Evan M age 15.

Nesta

Yes - that's why I mentioned it- see my reply #35 

[Gadget]

Think I've found her as Sophiah Prisila Richard, 13,  with a brother William on the 1871 - mother down as Elizabeth Richard

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V51N-YFL


Good old Familysearch 

(Ref is RG10/5601/9/9)

[tac]

Hi Tac

Can you check Elizabeth's first marriage on the BMDs. She definitely married a Jenkins,  as that is the surname she used when she married for the second time,   but there's something puzzling me about his first name. Also, was her name definitely Williams on this first marriage cert?

 
yes just checked b.m.d. she married john richard jenkins the first time and she is down as lizzie jane williams,also on one of elizabeths sons birth cert by her second marriage she has williams as her maiden name









yes

[tac]

Think I've found her as Sophiah Prisila Richard, 13,  with a brother William on the 1871 - mother down as Elizabeth Richard

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V51N-YFL


Good old Familysearch 

oh well done,do you think this sophiah could be the sister to the william i wrote about

[Gadget]

Think I've found her as Sophiah Prisila Richard, 13,  with a brother William on the 1871 - mother down as Elizabeth Richard

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V51N-YFL


Good old Familysearch 

oh well done,do you think this sophiah could be the sister to the william i wrote about

It looks very much like it, tac 

I'll transcribe the entry for you as the family search link doesn't give all the details. She also had a sister Lidia

[Gadget]

Here's the 1871 entry:

Furnace, Sguborycoed
Elizabeth Richard, unm, 58, works with farmers, b. Llanfihangelgenauglin (as written!)
Sophiah Prisila Richard, daur, 13, b. Aberystwith (do)
William Richard, son, 10, b. Talybont
Lidia Harriet Richard, daur, 8, b. do



PS - could this Elizabeth be the Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Jones, that osprey found on the 1891

Pentrebach, Ysgubor y Coed, Cards RG12/4586 folio 4 pg 1
Thomas Jones head 53 labourer b. Sguborycoed (deaf & dumb)
Elizabeth wife 63 b. Llanfihangel
Elizabeth J Williams granddau 6 b. Merionethshire, Parish of Dolgelley

Age is a 10 years out but census ages are odd!