place name

[despair]

jaycey-the address on the marriage certificate will be the residential address at time of marriage,not the brth address-however I am still not convinced it is the correct marriage.

tac-thanks for the info on John Jenkins,so he was the "head" listed in 1911 despite the occupational description mismatch.Not much to be gained there then.
 
What is the address given for Elizabeth Richards?Please confirm that it doesn't say deceased for Elizabeth's father.

I think it is worth pursuing a different line,for a while at least.Without trying to review the rationale for Thomas Jones wife Elizabeth to be nee Richards,surely given a granddaughter Williams as in the 1891,she could well be a Williams with a son(Evan?) from a previous marriage.

There is a late 1871 marriage of Thomas Jones to an Elizabeth Williams in Aberystwyth.The following is even more speculative, buit there is an Elizabeth Williams of the right age in the 1871 census(RG10  5562  49  27).She is a small shopkeeper with a dressmaker niece,and Thomas on the 1871 is described as a basket maker......

I haven't traced her back yet,but it seems worth pursuing unless I've got the logic wrong along the way(quite possible these days)

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Can' t find Maesygwylim in 1881,occupants in 1891(RG 12  4552  36  4) don't help,but not too far away(RG12  4552  40  11) are William and Hannah Richards,both born 1860,confirming,I think that the 1887 marriage in Lampeter is not "your" William and Hannah,who are in Ystradyfodwg in 1891.
Regards
Roger

[tac]

hi,roger,
elizabeth richards father was richard richards,a labourer(1871).and at the time of marriage to thomas jones she is at egwyls fach
and on elizabeth williams marriage cert to john jenkins,no name given for father.
on her second marriage to david williams her father is down as evan williams(deceased)but i have a feeling this a little white lie as david williams father had the same name.

[despair]

It seems to me that one option left re William and Hannah Richards(nee ?) is that Hannah Owen(s) in the 1889 marriage,is a widow nee Jones.She would,of course,still have to revert to her original/maiden name on the birth certificates from her second marriage("...formerly Jones.....")
I can' t find any reference other trhan the GRO to use with a local office,who might co-operate in telling you whether Hannah Owen(s) was a spinster or a widow.I don't think the GRO themselves would help in that respect.
Another speculative possible "coincidence".In 1911 there is a John Jones(from "Montgomeryshire"),of exactly the right age to be the brother of the Hannah Jones(Aberangell) previously identified,living in Wattstown,Ynishir,who has a son called John(Henry).Hannah would therefore be his Aunt-postcards?

Finally,the most wildly speculative of all,there is a disaster in Ynishir colliery in 1887,and among the dead is a David Owen aged 33(origins uknown to me).Could he be Hannah Jones first husband-there is a marriage in Aberystwyth district,2nd quarter 1886?


Regards
Roger

[tac]

morning roger,you have given plenty to think about,i wonder if jaycey knows where hannah and william are buried as my gravestone gave the fathers name of ann richards.

[nestagj]

It seems to me that one option left re William and Hannah Richards(nee ?) is that Hannah Owen(s) in the 1889 marriage,is a widow nee Jones.She would,of course,still have to revert to her original/maiden name on the birth certificates from her second marriage("...formerly Jones.....")
I can' t find any reference other trhan the GRO to use with a local office,who might co-operate in telling you whether Hannah Owen(s) was a spinster or a widow.I don't think the GRO themselves would help in that respect.

Hi Roger - have I missed something; where has the Hannah Owen(s) marriage come from - been mostly offline for a few days.   Where did the marriage take place ? if its in Wales; it might be worth me ringing them to see ?

i wonder if jaycey knows where hannah and william are buried as my gravestone gave the fathers name of ann richards.

Hi Tac - thanks for your good wishes the other day, feel much better atm - do you have a date of death - there's no date of death on jaycey's family tree - having a look to see if I can see anything suitable for now.   What was written on the gravestone - can you post the pic up - if not email me and I will put it on.
Nesta

 

[tac]

hi nestagj, never put a pic on here before but will try now.
nope didnt work so  i have sent it to you
 

[tac]

this is the text the lady sent me.
   

I visited Garn cemetery and the following inscription can be seen on the grave of your great grandmother:


IN MEMORY OF



ANN RICHARDS


Queen St, Aberystwyth


daughter of Richard Richards


Talybont, Cardiganshire


Died August 14th 1885


aged 48


I have kept the faith


Hefyd am [Also of]


Sophia P. Richards


Hunodd Medi 5 1932 [Died September 5 1932]


yn 73 mlwydd oed [aged 73 years]


Byw i mi yw Crist a marw sydd elw [For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.]

[nestagj]

Here is the picture

Off to look for Richard Richards now - I wonder if he is still alive in 1885 as the grave does not mention him as "Y diweddar" - the late Richard Richards which is usually how it is phrased when they are dead.

Its a really good picture Tac - much better than some of my grave pics (slight obsession with documenting family graves ! )

Nesta