Timothy and Anastasia Hayes Ireland and Australia

[samarai]

Thank you for replying so quickly, after such a long time I was not expecting a reply.

My Mary Ann Hayes was born in Carlow about 1827 and married John Perkins in Liverpool in1845 and had 13 children. Her father's name is given as John Hayes and his occupation is "wheelwright".  There appear to have been a lot of issues with that marriage and in 1873 she and 3 of her daughters (Lucy Helena, Elizabeth Teresa Josephine and Agnes ) emigrated to Melbourne, Australia leaving the surviving children  and husband in Liverpool.In Melbourne, Mary Ann works as a needlewoman before marrying Thomas Bolger in 1887. Her marriage certificate says her parents are John Hayes and Anne  O'Connor. John's occupation is "farmer"  and on her death certificate his occupation is "millwright". I give more weight to the marriage certificate information as Mary was alive when that information was recorded.
My only concern is that none of Mary's children are named Patrick and Irish families seemed use family names a lot.

I hope there is a link as i have always wondered why Mary moved Melbourne on her own".

[glensmum]

Thank you for your prompt reply.Patrick was born about 1817 He married Harriet Clarkson  in Lancashire in 1841.They had possibly 5 children with only Edward John surviving.[note that I said just John earlier] He was registered in Preston Lancashire. Patrick's daughter Mary had a second name Theresa..
Patrick moved to Sydney sometime after 1863 possibly about 1874, where he died in 1887.
His children were Edward John married Margaret Horan, Kate married Harold Norrie, Mary Theresa,  Harriet became a nun, Joseph Francis married Sarah Parker and Patrick Alfred.
The potential brother Timothy Hayes was at Ballarat for a good many years so I guess it's not impossible that they are siblings.
The children left behind could possibly be old enough to have begun their own lives. What were their names?
I want a link because nobody wants to "own" this family

[samarai]

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I spent a bit of time looking up various sites trying to find some link between Mary Ann and Patrick and Timothy, reading about the Eureka Stockade and cannot really find anything linking all 3. For now I think I am going to add Patrick and Timothy as possible brothers and hope that some time down the years further information provides proof one way or the other.

What i did find  was the following:
 "Erected by P. HAYES, J.P., I The Oaks, St. Leonard's, Sydney, I in memory of his Father I JOHN HAYES, who died 18 April 1858 I aged 63 years.  R.I.P."/  [An upright stone.]
http://home.people.net.au/~ousie/county_carlow_memorials_of_the_dead_JPMD_Ballyknockan.htm
This is a site from Ballyknockan Church so I'm guessing John Hayes lived somewhere near there.

Jenny

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[glensmum]

Well that is certainly my Patrick. What a find . Now if only we can find the children's names etc. Here Igo again. thank you

[heywood]

Hello,

You have written that Edward John was registered in Preston, but I see his birth in Widnes.
There are a couple of references (not much information sadly) to Patrick and his business online (and his bankruptcy)  have you seen those?

regards
heywood

[glensmum]

Thank you, I did see the bankruptcy references.I think from memory that he had another go at bankruptcy in Melbourne. [I don't have that newspaper clipping to hand]
 Apologies Edward John's Birth extract says 1845 Prescot, Farnworth, County of Lancaster.

[heywood]

That's good re Edward. I didn't want you following the wrong person.
Do you have the family in England in 1861?

I wondered if the Bankruptcy was a new start and perhaps he/they went in 1850s.

[glensmum]

Patrick and first wife Harriet Clarkson were on the 1851 census with Edward and Mary Teresa aged 2 years. I next found him and Edward only in Melbourne in April 1855 at the birth of his daughter Kate. He married Kate's mother, Jane Dicker, a widow, in August 1856.
I have not found them conclusively on any shipping.
 Their second daughter Mary Theresa was born in 1857. Because this child carried the name of his other daughter and his Catholicism I would assume both Harriet and the child have died.I have no deaths to date.
I would say the move to Australia would be a new start.