Baites - a solid brick wall

[lisa06]

I have posted on here before about Frederick Charles Baites.  He is the great grandfather of a friend whose family tree I am doing.  I love doing it and my friend says she wouldn't know where to start on modern things like the internet.  So it's a happy merger of interests.

But try as I might, any details of her main ancestor, Frederick Charles Baites, are frustratingly drawing a blank every time.  All I have on him is one (or possibly two) census entries.  The definite one is in 1861 which gives him (listed as Charles Bates) as living at 22 New Street Court, with wife Elizabeth (who I know to have been Elizabeth Drewell), born 1811 in Lisbon - but a British subject.  He is a shoe maker. This is definitely the man I'm after.  The other possible entry is 1841 which has Charles living with the Whale family at St Mary at Lambeth (I can't read the address).

Apart from all the obvious sites, I have searched the overseas military births, the registers of the British Factory in Lisbon and also St George's chapel in Lisbon.  I have no marriage for Frederick, or death though I suspect these were both in London. I would love to know more about him but also who his father and mother were but there are just no clues anywhere.

If any one can solve this mystery I would be so grateful.  I can then finish my project for my friend - who is dying to hear where she has come from.

Lisa

[jennifer c]

I will clarify your post.
It is (Frederick) Charles Bates aged 50  on the 1861 census who was born in Lisbon. Elizabeth was born Lambeth aged 38.
Children on the census were
Elizabeth 6 born Lambeth
Charles 2 born Southwark.

Children seem to be - Elizabeth,Charles & Edward if the other census are correct?

Jennifer

[lisa06]

Jennifer

Yes, that's right. Thanks for clarifying.

Lisa

[jjaney]

hi lisa, I have found what looks like your family in the 1871 census and the 1881 census.

The 1871 census contains a record  of an Elizabeth age 45, with the three named children, aged 17, 12, and 10 respectively. There is no husband Charles or Frederick in the list and they are in the Camberwell district. (I did not pay to view the whole record)

The 1881 census lists them at 3 Pinnocks Place Camberwell, Surrey: Elizabeth is widowed (aged 50), daughter is not there (possibly married and living elsewhere), sons occupations are both coal porters and they are living with a neice and two nephews, surname Davis, and two lodgers.

If you view the full records maybe Elizabeth was widowed in the 1871 census also. I couldn't find a death record for Charles between 1861 and 1871. If you can't find it, I suppose it might be worth checking to see if he was killed overseas in one of the Victorian wars. My great grandfather who also lived in Camberwell was in Burma during the 1881 census, but I had no way of knowing this until I found his army papers which contained a list of all his locations during his time in the army. It also gave the names of siblings.

good luck with your searching, hope you find what you are looking for,

jenny

[jennifer c]

1871 census  15 Harris Place Camberwell

Elizabeth Bates 45 married Charwoman born Paddington
Elizabeth 17 Charwoman Lambeth
Charles 12 Wood chopper Southwark
Edward 10 Camberwell

Elizabeth Baites death Dec qtr 1886 aged 64 Camberwell?
Jennifer

[lisa06]

Many thanks Jenny and Jennifer and for taking the time to help me try to find Frederick Charles Baites.

 I had found those entries for the family (with an absent Charles) but hadn't appreciated the significance of the 1871 census showing Elizabeth as married rather than widowed.  I will have another look around to see if I can find any details of this mystery man with my new clue.

Thanks again.

Lisa