Great Aunt's second son.

[crozier]

My mother always insisted that Dad's aunt, Ellen Peters, had two sons. I can only track down number one son, William Horace Brown. Ellen/Nell/Nellie married Horace William Brown in 1910 in Whitechapel. Following Horace's death, she immigrated with William to Australia and married Robert William Martin Rowe in Sydney (1919).
Thanks to some previous help I know that Nell and Robert are buried in Rookwood Cemetery. But I would really like to have any information on the elusive second son.
Many thanks in advance. C

[Neil Todd]

Hi, To really get an answer we would need to know a few things first.

What was Nell's parents names, did she have the second son with first or second husband and when she came to Australia? Have you found the records of her travelling?

Regards

Neil

[crisane]

Information from previous thread.
Nellie Rowe nee Peters formerly Brown born 1891 Surrey died 1975 Sydney buried Rookwood  Parents George Nye Peters and emily Kate Newell
Second husband Robert Rowe died Sydney buried Rookwood 1957. Parents William Rowe and Mary Frances?

Link to other thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,255585.0.html

Do death certificates in the 1950's and 70's show how long in Oz and children of marriage?

[Neil Todd]

I just re read your post which states that nellie emmigrated with William!!!!

Are you suggesting she left a very young son in England and took only one to Australia? Or could this son have already died IE if born at all. Have you checked birth records in UK for this elusive son?

Neil

[majm]

Do death certificates in the 1950's and 70's show how long in Oz and children of marriage?

YES,  NSW BDM certs

1.  include this question "how long" even in 2012:  I am named as the informant on several NSW BDM death certs as early as the 1960s and as recently as earlier this year.   The funeral directors each asked this type of question.  As I was informing on persons born in NSW, the FDs also asked if the person had resided in NSW all their life.  So, in respect of the person who died in the 1960s I provided a) born in NSW and b) lived in NSW until their marriage and c) lived in (nominated the different state) during that marriage and d) returned to NSW after death of that spouse and e) remained in NSW for the rest of their life.   The actual certificate shows born Sydney NSW, and the number of years in each state BUT does NOT indicate the years in the other state were actually in the middle of the years in NSW.   

2. include children of the marriage :  And their given names and ages at the time of the demise of their parent.   If there's more than one marriage, then the children of each are listed under each marriage.   Deceased children are listed at the conclusion of each list.   I even managed to have a possible ex-nupital child listed on an NSW dc because I was able to advise a) I did not know when/where the marriage may have occurred BUT I knew the child's name and I knew the child was born of the mum and the child's siblings were able to verbally confirm the child was their sibling, and the child (an adult actually) was involved in organising the funeral and was a beneficiary of the deceased estate.  (Rural NSW Funeral Directors have lots of 'inside' knowledge as to how to complete 2012 NSW BDM forms discreetly).

Cheers,  JM 

[Ruskie]

If Ellen travelled with one son to Australia, either the first son had died, or maybe was born out of wedlock before she married Horace and 'adopted', or perhaps she had a son with second husband?  Other son may have been a stillbirth? Perhaps not registered?

You'll need to check all possibilities.
)I have not yet read your other thread, so apologies if these points were covered there)

[crisane]

Thank you majm for answering my query re info on certs.

So purchasing the death cert for Nellie Rowe would seem to be the way to go.

[rosball]

Here is Robert's death notice - only one step son mentioned here  SMH 30 April 1957
cheers,
   Ros

[majm]

Hi Ros,

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,255585.10.html Reply # 17, can you find that SMH notice at all?

" 6766/1968  BROWN  WILLIAM JOSEPH  father HORACE WILLIAM mother   ELLEN registered at  SYDNEY

I wonder if he is the "other" son?
regrds JEnn "

I think Ryerson gives it as SMH 20 Nov 1968, late of Potts Point

Cheers,  JM