Martha Stapleton

[Beg Clonrode...]

According to the NZSG Index 'tina' was born 28 Dec 1886

Hello Elan...

The date of birth you found for Tina STAPLETON (28 Dec 1886) pretty much rules her out from being the second child i.e the child born in wedlock.

The "Strange Suit" newspaper article you mention says that Harry and Eliza were married on 1 May 1884. The child born in wedlock is mentioned in the article. The date of the article is 5 May 1885.

So the second child was born sometime between 1 May 1884 and 5 May 1885.

Noticed in the article that Harry and Eliza had moved to Dunedin so the second child may have been born there, not Christchurch.

And that Harry had deserted by September 1884 which may narrow the "birth window" even more, although he may have left before the second child was born so maybe not.

Press, 5 May 1885, Page 3 - A STRANGE SUIT
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ndb/

Where exactly did you get the 28 Dec 1886 date from. Is it the NZSG Index Ver.5 CD. If so, does it give a source.

Regards
Beg

[Lucy2]

I believe ( no proof) that Elizabeth/Eliza/Fanny are one of the same.

According to the Christchurch cemeteries database, Fanny STAPLETON (buried with Harry), was born in Australia and at the time of her death, 1936, had been in NZ for 40 years (arrived c. 1896).

[Lucy2]

Bettina STAPLETON m. Arthur Charles PRITCHARD -- 1915

Death   

1972 - PRITCHARD - Bettina - 81 years  (bc 1891)

[Beg Clonrode...]

Thomas Stapleton (36), wife Martha (34), and children Tom (11), Everard (9), Harry (6), Ann (4) and Richard (2) arrived in 1865.

Hi again,

The following BDM NZ references are found on the BDM NZ Search website
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/


Tom STAPLETON, son of Thomas and Martha STAPLETON, may be the Tom STAPLETON who married Christina AITKEN in 1880

BDM NZ Marriages - 1880/1449 - Christina AITKEN - Tom STAPLETON

A Tom and Christina STAPLETON share the same plot at Sydenham Cemetery in Christchurch. Tom's burial notes indicate a birth year of 1852 and an arrival in NZ from England in 1864, which is fairly close to the above passenger list found by jorose.

Sydenham Cemetery - Christchurch Cemeteries Database
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/

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A Thomas and Christina STAPLETON had a daughter Isabella Martha STAPLETON in 1894

BDM NZ Births - 1894/5709 - STAPLETON, Isabella Martha - mother: Christina  father: Thomas

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An Isabella Martha STAPLETON married a Frederick Haynes PRATT on 19 Feb 1919

BDM NZ Marriages - 1919/937 - Isabella Martha STAPLETON - Frederick Haynes PRATT
(Entering 19/2/1919 into both the "Search From" and "Search To" boxes on the BDM NZ website will give the date of the event)

The Christchurch Star of Wednesday 19 February 1919 has the following marriage notice...

PRATT - STAPLETON
Today, Frederick Haynes PRATT, a returned Anzac to Ella, daughter of Mr and Mrs T.STAPLETON [...] cousin Chrissie WATKINS, niece Kathleen BIGGS

Scroll halfway down the page of the following link for the marriage notice snippet...
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1919.February.Star.Christchurch.Snippets.html


All of the above just to say that Eliza WATKINS and Harry STAPLETON may have had a daughter Chrissie WATKINS. Being Harry's daughter would make Tom and Christina STAPLETON her uncle and aunt and their daughter Isabella Martha STAPLETON (aka the bride Ella) her first cousin.

I'm wondering if the Tina STAPLETON I mentioned in my previous post may have also used the name Chrissie (Christina?) WATKINS.

No proof. Just speculation :-)


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Have you considered starting a "look-up request" thread for the death notice of Harry STAPLETON d.9 Feb 1922 in Christchurch.

Death notices of the time seemed not to be as informative as those today but, short of purchasing the death certificate, it's the only way I can think of which might give a clue as to whether or not he is your Harry. Hopefully the death notice will say something like "son of the late Thomas and Martha".

EDIT:

A possible connection in that Tom and Christina STAPLETON seem to be buried opposite Harry and Fanny STAPLETON at Sydenham Cemetery.

Regards
Beg

[Elan]

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[BegClonrode ....]

Hello Elan...

Just wondering if you have any information on Eliza WATKINS, mother of Martha and ?

Age, nationality, religion, parents, siblings etc

Thanks
Beg

[Elan]

Hi Beg
I haven't looked into that yet,but i have got in Fanny(nee Ward) Stapletons death notice and she is the second wife. They were married in Melbourne in 1895 and had one female issue aged 41 which I guess is the Tina who was quite possibly born in OZ. Still haven't found Marthas sibling,went through all the fiche for a child born under Watkins and Stapleton in that time period but no luck. I will put a new thread up asking for Thomas Stapleton probate,good idea thanks 

[BegClonrode ....]

[...] Fanny(nee Ward) Stapletons death notice and she is the second wife.
They were married in Melbourne in 1895 and had one female issue aged 41

Hello Elan,

Victoria BDM has a Harry STAPLETON marrying a Fanny WARD in 1886.

Then in 1887 a Tina STAPLETON is born to Harry and Fanney formerly WARD

Victoria BDM search
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria

So the dates you have are slightly off as I'd tend to believe Victoria BDM.

But their daughter Tina born in 1887 would be the Tina mentioned in the 1911 and 1914 electoral rolls. Wonder what happened to her.

Out of interest, did you get the dates from a death notice (as you said) or a death certificate/printout. If it was a certificate/printout who was the informant.

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Back to the drawing board for Lizzie's second child. Most annoying :-)

Wonder if Chrissie WATKINS is a lead or a red herring.

Regards
Beg

[Elan]

Hi beg
i got the dates from the death printout that i ordered. The informant was a G Banill the undertaker from Christchurch. Sorry put you crook on Tina DOB she was 45 in 1936 NOT 41. How very odd the dates don't match with Victoria BDM.
EDIT
I have also taken up your suggestions and asked for Thomas Stapletons probate, Harry Stapletons death notice lookup and also asked NZSG bride and groom collection for and marriage info for folio 1432 being Harry and Eliza's wedding 1884