John Edwards born Pen y Bryn d 31 Dec 1830

[teriro]

FT says "Fred R b 2 Feb 1855 at Holywell d aged about 40 [and beneath] Smallwood Vicar of Holywell" . Says "John b 9 April 1848 builder; Thomas b 22 Sept 1849 chemist 2 daughters Blodwyn and Lillian. William (Peter) b 20 July 1852 d Wellington 1902." Would like to know more too of Jane P (1863) and Sarah b 21 June (1865).  Thanks again... have looked but not found and also not had time lately...

[osprey]

I can give you 1871 & 1881 census entries

1871 13 Albert Tce, Rhyk RG10/5668 folio 32 pg 32
Frederick Edwards head 50 joiner b. Rhyk
Mary wife 44 housekeeper b. DEnbighshire, Llanrhaedr
William son 18 draper b. Flintshire, Tremeirchion
Frederick son 16 clerk b. Tremeirchion
Susannah dau 14 b. Denbighshire, Abergele
Jane dau 8 b. Rhyl
Sarah dau 6 b. Rhyl

1881 Albert Tce, Rhyl RG11/5528 folio 12 pg 18
Mary Edwards head widow 56 b. Denbighshire, Gyfylliog
Frederick son 26 builders clerk b. Flintshire, Cwm
Susannah dau 24 dressmaker b. Denbighshire, Bettws
Jane dau 18 milliner b. Rhyl
Sarah dau 16 b. Rhyl

Would look for more but I'm just off to start a 12 hour day.

 

[teriro]

Thank you. Ask a busy person! Now I am even more curious about osprey! I still haven't got this even in small measure as haven't been able to devote right time to it... Can I access the census from NZ? (duh...  I write I see above some clues... ) Wish I could reciprocate...one of your family names... a Vincent married my grandma Rosabel Susannah Edward's sister Hilda... one child, Pamela.

[osprey]

the census is available on various commercial sites, Ancestry and Findmypast are probably the most popular. Have to sayI find Ancestry the easiest to use for searching in Wales as Findmypast shows registration district in its results and if you're searching for a common name, you can get too many hits.

I had a quick look for the family in 1891 & saw a possible for Jane, but none of others are obvious.

My Vincents are from around Stithians in Cornwall.

 

[osprey]

had a another look, don't know how I missed these entries 

1881 26 Wellington Road, Rhyl RG11/5528 folio 76 pg 8
John Edwards head mar 32 builder
Margaret wife 26
Sarah A dau 3
Margaret M dau 5 months
Catherine Hughes 13 general servant
all born Rhyl

1891 34 Princess St, Rhyl RG12/4627 folio 26 pg 10
John Edwards head mar 43 builder
Margt wife 37
Anne Mary dau 13
Sarah Jane dau 12
Margt Myfanwy dau 10
Julia Dorathy dau 9
Elizabeth dau 5
Edith Gladys dau 2 months
Frederick R brother unm 36 builder's assistant
Susannah dau 7
all born Rhyl, all enumerated as speaking both Welsh & English apart from little Edith

I can see Julia & Susannah in 1901 working as servants in Rhyl, & Margaret working as a draper's saleswoman in Ruthin.

This may be John's death reg
John Edwards 47 june qtr 1895 St Asaph vol 11b pg 245

1901 4 Gronant St , Rhyl RG13/5236 folio 105 pg 22
Margaret Edwards head widow 46
Anne M dau 23
Edith G dau 9
Blodwyn dau 7
Mary Rogers lodger widow 65 dressmaker b. Denbighshire, Abergele

[osprey]

possible death reg for Frederick's widow
Mary Edwards 62 dec qtr 1887 St Asaph vol 11b pg 233

There's a possible for Thomas in Liverpool in 1881 and then this 1891
5 Yanwath St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool RG12/2936 folio 77 pg 33
Thomas Edwards head mar 41 chemist b. Flintshire, Cwm
Mary wife 30 b. Caernarvonshire, Conway
Blodwen dau 1 b. Liverpool

1901 1 Bank St Villas, Brierly Hill, Staffordshire  RG13/2701 folio 57 pg 15
Thomas Edwards head amr 51 chemist's manager b. Flintshire, Cwm nr Rhyl
Mary wife 42 b. Caernarvonshire, Conway
Blodwen dau 11 b. Lancashire, Liverpool
Lilian dau 5 b. Liverpool

can't seem to spot Fred after 1891

 

[mikk1]

Hi,

John Edwards is my relation - I have the relevant wills and quite a lot of knowledge about the family and area.
However, I'm stuck at his parents, whereas I've got a little further with Susannah.

Would like to hear how your relations arrive - I have Frederic 11/5/1820 in between Peter and Cornelius.

[teriro]

Have old pencilled will which starts @ Elizabeth Norris of Spike and 1st Sir John Salusbury Bach y Graig and here, as written, this part may be of help:
Children of John Edwards b. Pen y Bryn buried Rhuddlan 31 Dec 1830 aged 54 and Miss Hughes Pen y Bryn:
John; Peter [no dates]; Thomas 1806, buried Ruddlan 24.8.1845; Cornelius d. 1891; Frederick b. 5.5.1820 d. 9.9.74; Susanah; Robert [no dates]

Frederick Edwards married Mary Roberts of Rhyl b. 8.5.1824 d. 15.10.1887

Mary Anne 6.7.1846, John 9.4.48, Thomas 22.9.49, Robert (my ggpa) b.17.11.50 d. NZ 14.4.1924; William (Peter) b. 20.7.52 d. NZ 1902; Fred.R. b. 2.2.55 at Holywell d. aged about 40 Smallwood Vicar of Holywell; Jane P b. 25.8.63 married 2 child; Sarah b 21.6.65

[mikk1]

Hi Teriro!

Thanks for the reply - yes its definitely my lot.
I didnt know we had relations in NZ!
Big question - do you know John Edwards birthplace and parents? I have him as 54 at death.

The other names all mean something t o me, Jones, Foulke etc. They appear to be from an illustrious pedigree which could include Thomas Pennant.