John Edwards born Pen y Bryn d 31 Dec 1830

[teriro]

Am not getting far with an early 20th century handwritten Tree relating to grtgrandfather who came to NZ 1874 Robert Price Edwards (b 17 Nov 1850). Salusbury/Whitchcote/Bowes/Judith Fowke/Thomas Jones (d 6 Nov 1779)/Edward Pierce/ (Pierce) Edwards/Hughes/Mary Roberts and places Denbigh/Pont y Glo farm/Gwyddelwern/Rhuddlan/Rhyl are in the picture but I can't shed real light on this paternal line.

[t mo]

hi teriro and welcome to rootschat 
can you be a bit more specific in what you would like us to help you with please .
regards
trevor

[jim1]

Hello & welcome from me.
Yes can you give us just 1 name to start with.The one you have the most info. on would be best.There are several Pen y Bryn's in Wales do you know which County?
jim

[osprey]

given that the 1851 census was 31/3, a child born the previous November would be 4 months old. There are only 2 on the 1851 census that I can see, one in Trevethin, Monmouthshire and this one who may fit

Is Glan, Cwm, Flintshire HO107/2506 folio 54 pg 19
Frederick Edwards head mar 28 farmer of 160 acres employing 7 labourers b. Flintshire, Rhuddlan
Mary wife 25 b. Denbighshire, Gyffylliog
Mary Ann dau 4 b. Rhuddlan
John son 2 b. Rhuddlan
Thomas son 1 b. Rhuddlan
Robert son 4 months b. Rhuddlan
Margaret Roberts niece in law 15 b. Denbighshire, Llanrhaedr
+ 6 servants

marriage reg
Frederick Edwards march qtr 1846 Saint Asaph vol 27 pg 285 with Mary Roberts the only other on the page

change of occupation for Frederick by 1861
27 High St, Rhyl (parish of Rhuddlan) RG9/4296 folio 66 pg 8
Frederick Edwards head mar 40 joiner b. Rhyl
Mary wife 36 b. Denb, Gyffylliog
Robert son 10 b. Flintshire, Cwm
William son 8 b. Cwm
Frederick son 6 b. Cwm
Susannah dau 4 b. Denbighshire
Henry Cohen visitor 46 commercial traveller b. London

Likely baptism for Frederick in extracted batch C056711 for Rhuddlan
Frederic bp 11/5/1820 son of John Edwards & Susannah Hughes

1841 Pen y Bryn, Cefndu, Rhuddlan HO107/1412/26 folio 31 pg 6
Susannah Edwards 50 farmer
John 25
Anne 25
Robert 25
Frederick 21
Cornelius 15
William 14
Susannah 12
+ 6 servants

[osprey]

Frederick's father died in 1831 without making a will. The administration of his estate on behalf of Susannah can be accessed here, diocese is St Asaph
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en

Pen y Bryn came from the Hughes family. The 1820 will of Jane Hughes, mother of Susannah, is on the site as well. It was written in 1809 and John & Susannah were married at that time.

[teriro]

Am slow getting this! Saw ttrevor asked what I needed, specifically, to know, wanted to reply but unable to work out how... came here; found much information (thank you osprey) am yet to read. Last night rang father (b 1923, RG (Dick) Scott) to question validity of this handwritten will addressed to his aunt Hilda. He's blank though he visited family places in NWales. Then by entering 'Judith Bowes m John Salusbury', found its likely source in Burkes Peerage... am about to delve into it. My father an only child... most of Robert Price Edward's 14 children were without issue. Know nothing about any distant relatives, or the origins of this wealthy NWales family. Am curious too about possible Jewish blood...

[osprey]

The way to reply is what you've done. It's best to keep all the info on one thread. 

there's another Hughes will at the NLW as well, that of Thomas, the father of Susannah and wife of Jane, who died in 1805. 

 

wrong relationship now corrected

 

[teriro]

Dear osprey... thank you very much indeed...after my fruitless travails, with one stroke you have our Edwards! So will accurate, around this pt anyway. After Robert (Price), William (Peter) d Wellington!, Fred R, Jane F b 25 Aug 1863, Sarah, Peter (d infant) Susanah (b 1857, d 20 Dec 1882), and last Jane (b 1860 d infant). Thomas had 2 dau; Jane P or F? 2 child. As well offspring, would like to know of Fred R. b 2 Feb 1855 Smallwood, Vicar of Holywell as failed to find.

[osprey]

er, how sure are you that he was a vicar? He's still at home in Rhyl with his widowed mother in 1881 and he's a builder's clerk. RG11/5528 folio 12 pg 18. His place of birth is given as Cwm in 1861 & 1881, and as Tremeirchion in 1871.