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William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« on: Saturday 19 May 12 09:03 BST (UK) »
Help please! I'd pieced together my 3x great grandfather's family history- born Mulbarton in 1799, the eldest son of Nicholas Osborne and Sarah Townsend,  with siblings Charlotte, Mary Anne and Jonathan all born in Mulbarton.
In 1817 he married Harriet Edridge in Yelverton, had 14 children, was in Ketteringham on the1841 census and in 1861 was living in Earsdon Northumberland working as an agricultural labourer,with his wife, youngest son Charles and eldest grandson (Moses) John Roberts who were both  coal miners. Both William and Harriet died in Norfolk.
So far so good, I put them all on my public Ancestry tree.
I did all my research through Freereg, and backed it up through IGI,& Family search as well as Ancestry.
I've been contacted by a distant (we share a great grandfather) relative who lives locally and is also researching through parish records etc.
She has also found a William Osborne , but hers was born Keswick  in 1796, has different parents (John Osborne and Mary Punchard) and siblings but then carries on to share the marriage etc. She has also found him on the 1851 census , which I've been unable to do. I think she used PRSs and I can't find the records on the sites I use, except for a slightly different version on Family Search.
My belief is that we have found 2 separate William Osbornes -probably cousins but which is the correct one?
My evidence, such as it is, is that William has children named Charlotte, Maryanne and Sarah. (no Nicholas ,but he ended his days in the workhouse and died a pauper, so possibly he didn't share William's obvious work ethic!, or it may have been bad luck and William was mean!) But then he had to find 14 names so it may be coincidence.
Any suggestions?
Osborne has a variety of spellings Osbourn, Osborn, Osbourne even Orsborn, sometimes in the same document.
I wonder if anyone can solve the puzzle or if we will have to agree to disagree.
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Harvey- Essex
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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 May 12 10:43 BST (UK) »
Hi jan,

Have you seen the 1851 entry?

Ancestry has William indexed as William Pes Bern - I admit it's difficult to read, but I can see Osborne.

Living in Ketteringham, with wife - and several children all born Ketteringham.

Trouble is, this William says he was born Keswick.

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 May 12 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hello again,

It's looking like the William Osborne you found baptised in Mulbarton died when he was still a baby.
Here's his baptism - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12986-23030-23?cc=1824688&wc=6895322

And on the next image (62), the burial of an infant William Osborne

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 May 12 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Well - I didn't know there was a Keswick in Norfolk!
Only three miles from Mulbarton and Ketteringham.

I was thinking Keswick, Cumberland.

I saw from the marriage entry that William Osborne was living at Kirby Bedon - about 2 miles from Yelverton.

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 May 12 12:19 BST (UK) »
Your distant relative is right, methinks.

Here's the baptism for William Osborne in 1796, son of John Osborne of Keswick, and Mary his wife, late Puncher - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12986-24124-32?cc=1824688&wc=6895184

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 May 12 13:26 BST (UK) »
I was told the spelling on the 1851 was strange -but not that strange. You're right though, you can see that the name is actually spelled Orsbern.
I did have a moment's hope that they were a different family, when the wife's name was Hannah not Harriet, but I presume that's another spelling error -or confusion, an elder daughter was called Hannah.
I've started checking the children's births-(I found most on Ancestry) in case they belong to another couple but I've reached George and, so far, they all belong to William and Harriet.
The death of the son of Nicholas and Sarah was the clincher -I've been researching a non-existent William!
I'll have to tell my distant relative that she's right then start researching John Osborne and Mary Puncher.
Thank you so much for helping me yet again. Jan
Cooper- Berks, Herts, Wrexham,Birmingham
Garrett- London, Berks
Morton-Berkshire
Harvey- Essex
Hambling, Royal,Dale,Jackson, Tann, Boatwright Edridge/Etheridge/Uttridge -all Norfolk
Osborne-Norfolk and Northumberland/Durham

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 May 12 14:58 BST (UK) »
I've found a marriage for John Osborne and Mary Puncher (transcribed Punchard) on Free reg and in Ancestry, 7th January 1790 in Lakenham, again only a few miles from Keswick (yes I thought of Cumbria too, hooray for Google maps!)
I'm not sure where to look next, obviously i need to correct my tree, but the more interesting bit is delving further. Sadly no births for John or Mary have popped up yet- do you have any ideas? There is a John Osborne son of Charles and Mary, baptised  New Buckenham 1765, no too far and it fits but that was the logic that sent me down the wrong track in the first place!
Any suggestions for a more methodical and accurate approach? Jan
Cooper- Berks, Herts, Wrexham,Birmingham
Garrett- London, Berks
Morton-Berkshire
Harvey- Essex
Hambling, Royal,Dale,Jackson, Tann, Boatwright Edridge/Etheridge/Uttridge -all Norfolk
Osborne-Norfolk and Northumberland/Durham

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 May 12 11:21 BST (UK) »
The marriage you found looks right, doesn't it?
Punchard/Puncher is not a common name. 
I do the same as you, and try Freereg and Family Search for any clues, then if I find something I'll check the original registers - the Norfolk ones I mean.

Family Search comes up with several baptisms and a burial for children of John Osborn and Mary Punchard - in different places!  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mll/

The earliest seems to be one in Norwich, but theres a burial for a child, Thomas, in 1792, aged 2 years.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-12987-17985-45?cc=1824688&wc=6895688

I haven't been able to find a baptism though.

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Re: William Osborne 1799 Mulbarton or 1796 Keswick?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 May 12 11:33 BST (UK) »
Yep, here it is - baptised in Lakenham - 3 weeks after they married!
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11561-113559-64?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-7SF:n2073728913

I'm pretty sure now that you have the right marriage.

Looks like they moved to Norwich for a time, then to Keswick, and ended up in Lakenham again.

I think I'd try to find a burial for John and Mary, to try to narrow down their ages.

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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire