WM. LANGHAM, Royal Arsenal, Woolwich.

[toastbutler]

Hello MarionL

Is that true that she was in the workhouse? That's a sad tale if true.

[Nick29]

Well, it's entirely possible that I have the wrong family, in which case I sincerely apologise 

RG13, Piece 76, Folio 10,  Page 13

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Sorry but I have found a different William Langham living and marrying in Chelmsford, and a will to fit the 1890 death date.


1881  RG11/1766  f.6  p.6  Springfield,  (Chelmsford RD)
1 Springfield Hill

LANGHAM
William    Head    Wid    50    Commercial Clerk To Brewer & Maltster    Suffolk Buxhall
+ 5 daughters and 1 son
(Let me know if you need the details)


Then a marriage,

William LANGHAM    Sep Q 1881    Chelmsford    4a  346   
Harriet Isabella HIPSEY
 

and a will,

1891
William LANGHAM
personal estate £687  7s  9d
 
The will of William LANGHAM late of Hill House, Springfield in the County of Essex Commercial Traveller who died 25 December 1890 at Hill House was proved at the Principal Registry by Harriet Isabella LANGHAM of Hill House Widow the Relict and Albert William LANGHAM of Biddestone House Margate in the County of Kent Banker's Clerk the son the executors.


Christmas Day how awful


In 1891 Harriet is still living at Springfield Hill.


At least it seems to rule him out


Regards,
Daisy
 

[toastbutler]

Hello MarionL

Thought I had found him on a convict ship 1862 bound for Australia:
William Langham born abt. 1826
Ship name "Ironside"
but I think he had children with his wife Annie Elizabeth after 1862. Ah yes you say he registered a child in 1867. mmmmmmmmm
I guess you know about this William the convict. In fact know doubt you have searched lots of avenues. Can you tell us more about the inheritance you mentioned? That may well be significant.

[toastbutler]

Good Morning MarionL.
I have just found the probate for Williams mother, Elizabeth 1865.
sole Executor her son William Langham of Plaistow Park.

She died 24th May 1865, effects under £100.

Sorry but no sign of his death yet, still looking.

[Ladyhawk]

I have just found the probate for Williams mother, Elizabeth 1865.
sole Executor her son William Langham of Plaistow Park.

She died 24th May 1865, effects under £100.

Sorry but no sign of his death yet, still looking.

Hopefully I'm looking at the correct family don't know if this will help marriages of William Langham & Annie Elizabeth Borrowdale & 4 children. William noted as deceased on 3 so looks possible his death sometime between 1867 (birth Alexander) and after dau Emily's marriage Jan 1883, if that is the case he should be somewhere on census 1871 & 1881 

As you mention his wife Annie noted as widow on 1871c and separated on 1881c occ Charwoman
1891c Annie E Langham age 59 marital status given ‘S’ Dom Servant living with the Borrowdale family
1901c Ann Elizabeth Widow age 69  Romford Essex in workhouse formely Charwoman own a/c at home

1861 RG 9; Piece: 409; Folio: 38; Page: 36
William Langham Head 33 (1828) Romford Essex Carpenter
Ann E wife 29 Romford
Frederick W son 1 mth Romford
Elizabeth Langham mother widow 73 Romford
Walter Borrowdale brother 14

1871 RG10; Piece: 1650; Folio: 32; Page: 2
Annie Elizabeth Langham Head Wid 39
Frederick William 11
William Lewis 9
Emily 7
Alexander 3
All born Romford Essex

William Langham f/a Ship Carpenter George St. father Lewis Corn Merchant
Married 12  Mar  1856 St Mary Magdalene Woolwich
Annie Elizabeth Borrowdale f John Willis Borrowdale Solicitor’s Clerk
Wits John Willis Borrowdale & Rebekah? Marie? Borrowdale

Emily Langham 19 Dress maker 29 Caversham St f Wm Lewis Langham Carpenter
Married 22 Jan 1883 Chelsea Christ Church Frederick John Beckett Clerk f Wm Beckett Builder Wits Catherine Harris & William Langham

Frederick William Langham 27 Coast Guard? Man Faversham Kent f William Lewis Langham Dec’d Carpenter married 13 Feb 1887 St Mary Lambeth Annie Lander F Thomas Mucisian Wits John Lander & Alice Emma Patrick

Alexander Langham 21 Lab. 40 Arthur Street f William Lewis Langham Dec’d Carpenter Married 14 Oct 1888 St Jude Chelsea Charlotte Elizabeth Miller f Frederick Cabman Wits Frederick Miller & Jane Eliza Miller

William Lewis Langham 30 Butcher 36 Arthur St f William Lewis Langham Dec’d Carpenter  married 11 Feb 1894 St Luke Chelsea Elizabeth Louisa Old f William Coachman Wits Edward John & Alice Mary Old

Will keep checking to see if I can find his death

for info. there are a few public trees on Ancestry but none have a date for his death, there is however a picture of his son William Lewis Langham & his wife Elizabeth & their son Walter b1894 & (he married 1918 Ethel Nobel both dec'd some pictures of their children too)

[Ladyhawk]

Looking back at the marriage William's father named Lewis Langham occ Corn Merchant and on his children's marriage he has the middle name of Lewis

William Langham f/a Ship Carpenter George St. father Lewis Corn Merchant
Married 12  Mar  1856 St Mary Magdalene Woolwich
Annie Elizabeth Borrowdale f John Willis Borrowdale Solicitor’s Clerk
Wits John Willis Borrowdale & Rebekah? Marie? Borrowdale

What do you think? Could this be your William Lewis Langham that married Annie Elizabeth Borrowdale? name pob correct although birth age different from 1861 census

1871 RG10; Piece: 1645; Folio: 40; Page: 24
North Street Romford
Lewis Langham Lodger Widow age 53 (1819) Romford (no occupation given)

Death Sep 1871  Orsett Essex Vol 4a page 97
Lewis Langham age 52 (1819)

1841c HO107; P 330; Book: 15; Civil Parish: Romford Essex; ED 5; F 34; Page: 14
High Street Romford
Lewis Langham  60 Corn Merchant
Elizabeth 50
LEWIS 20 (1821) no occupation given
all born in this county apart from Lewis (Snr) Foreign parts (Germany)

Lewis Snr died Mar 1847 Romford Essex Vol 12 page 210

1851 HO107; Piece: 1533; Folio: 76; Page: 37 - Shoreditch Middlesex
Elizth Langham Head Widow 64 Romford
WILLM 22 (1829) Romford Ship Builder
William is noted as Elizabeth's wife 

1861 RG 9; Piece: 409; Folio: 38; Page: 36
William Langham 33 (1828) Romford Essex Carpenter
Ann E 29 Romford
Frederick W 1 mth Romford
Elizabeth Langham mother widow 73 Romford
Walter Borrowdale brother 14

just found the probate for Williams mother, Elizabeth 1865.
sole Executor her son William Langham of Plaistow Park.

She died 24th May 1865, effects under £100.

Probate date was 10 Jun 1865 son William Langham occcupation was a Carpenter

[Neesargon]

This is definitely 'my' William Langham.  I can trace him until March 1871 when he appeared in court, at Chelmsford,  for beating his wife, Annie.   He had previously served 4 months hard labour for the same offence.   
At that hearing, it was stated that the couple had agreed to separate.  After that, there is no sign of William.

Just to recap, he was born 1828/1829 at Romford to Elizabeth and Lewis Langham (a baker/corn merchant).  William was a carpenter with the merchant  navy out of Woolwich Arsenal.   After his mother's death, he seems to have taken to drink - hence the court appearances.

Where on earth did he go to?    I am pretty convinced that he has nothing to do with the William Langham of a similar age in Leicester.

[MarionL]

Well, here I am, four years later, and still no wiser as to William's death.
As mentioned before,  he seems to have taken to drink after his mother died.  Thankfully, his wife and children escaped from him (in 1871) and moved to Chelsea where, as has already been noted, poor Annie found herself in the workhouse.       
But she got out again!   

I have found the occasional sighting of a William Langham in various workhouses not too far from Woolwich and I can only assume that it is 'my' William.   No doubt he ended up in a ditch, possibly with no identity.    Serves him right.    His wife was a hard working woman and a very good mother.   He didn't deserve her.   And she certainly didn't deserve the frequent beatings that he gave her.

Thank you all for trying to help solve this conundrum.   What a kind and generous lot you are.