Where in Russia ?

[momat]

Hello all,
Wondering  what  the Place of Birth is on this Census .
 ? ? ? ?  Russia.
Ancestry have it transcribed as Sheermewie  
Cheers,
Maureen.

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[apwright]

I think it says Skierniewic, meaning Skierniewice, now in Poland but it's in territory that belonged to Russia from 1815 to 1918.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skierniewice

Adrian

[momat]

Skierniewic

I think it says Skierniewic, meaning Skierniewice, now in Poland but it's in territory that belonged to Russia from 1815 to 1918.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skierniewice

Adrian

Hi Adrian,
More plausible than Sheermewie .
Cheers.
Maureen

[JustinL]

I don't know how you do it, Adrian. You could decipher a squiggle.

Skierniewice was in the gubernia (governate) of Mazow in Congress Poland, i.e. the Polish area of the Russian Empire, the borders of which were fixed after the Congress of Vienna in 1815. Over 17% of the total population of the gubernia were Jewish; a figure only equalled in one other gubernia.

The surname Diamond is more than likely a simple translation of the Polish word brylant, which was used in the Jewish communities as a patronymic derivative of the surname Bryl (בריל), which itself was a diminutive of the Yiddish forename Ber (בער).

Ber means 'a bear' and is the calque of the Hebrew name Dov, which was the 'secondary' name associated with Issachar.

Kalman is the Yiddish form of the name Kalonymus, which dates back to the pre-Roman period of Jewish history. It is a relatively unusual forename, which will be useful in tracking the family in Polish records.

Unfortunately, I am unable to access any databases at the moment, but I will have a llok this evening.

Justin

[momat]

Hi Justin

Thanks for that explanation re the Diamond name.
My Greatgrandmother was a Diamond  (maiden name) who stated that she was Polish on the Census.
I have no idea where in Poland she came from and my Greatgrandfather stated he was from Russia on the same census.
He was a Jacobs .
Incidentally the find  re "Sheermewie "was another of ancestry's beautiful descriptions!!  A real Squiggle.
Not one of my family unfortunately .
Will have a look at what you have offered
SA
Maureen.

[JustinL]

Hello Maureen,

So this Diamond family in Cable Street might not be yours?

Jewish immigrants to the UK appeared to want to differentiate between Russian Poland, i.e. Congress Poland, and the rest of Russia to the east, or more specifically the gubernias of the Russian Pale of Settlement.

Who were your great-grandparents? Did they marry in the UK?

Justin

[momat]

Hi Justin,
They are not mine as my lot settled in Hull about 1888.
Abraham Jacobs & Rachel nee Diamond.
They were married when they arrived in U K with my grandmother as a baby and they went on to have three other children in Hull.

I came across this lot on the free Ancestry census search last week and my curiousity got the better of me when I saw the strange place name.

I am stuck in a time warp with my lot as I have been searching for answers for many,many years with very few clues.Just like so many others!!

Names I am researching

Jacobs                 Russia - Hull  Glasgow
Diamond              Poland -Hull
Brohm/n /Brown   Pikeliai lithuania -Hull -Glasgow

Tatch                   Kovno- Edinburgh - Glasgow

Renovitzky      }
Nouvitky         }   Souvalki Gubernia
Brin                }


Maureen.

[JustinL]

Hello Maureen,

I'm more than willing to help, if I can.

Can you please give me the census details where you have found them? I couldn't find a matching family.

Justin

[momat]

Hi Justin,

All in Hull.

1891 Census 120 Temple Court K u H
Rachel is down as ANNIE???
They are there with three daughters .Leah ,Rebecca ,Sophia.
On this Rachel /Annie is stated as Russian !

1901 Census  Osborne Street K u H
They are all listed by initials only . A, R, L, R, S, H

1911 Census William street K u H and Rachel is Polish

On this page it is a double entry for the two oldest daughters as both are married and living in own homes.

By 1915 Abraham is in Glasgow ,found him on the Valuation roll ,as  he is at the same address on death cert and as there is no other fitting him and apart from his occupation from slipper maker to tailor it fits.
He dies in Glasgow 1923 and a NEW WIFE has appeared on the scene .

Have not found a death cert for Rachel /Annie although  there is one in Hull 1913 that could be her.I am more inclined to think she died around 1911 as her second granddaughter is also named Rachel.

Nor can I find a marriage for Abraham to the second wife , listed as Lottie Sinclair in England or Scotland
(I doubt it is Sinclair more likely Sclar ? the image is not ideal ) on Scotlands  BMDs
She cannot be found as I have tried everything to trace this lady .

I was searching the other Jacob and Diamond entries to see if I could link anyone else in the East Riding area to them but not having details of Rachel's parents not much luck.
Sorry for the long posting.

Cheers,
Maureen.