Birth Info - James Perrin

[tazzie]

  Hi

 The Frederick "Blake" of 1871 census was infact Frederick Perrin b Henley reg district 1855 as seen here in 1881
 RG11/1490 F 72 P5
 John Blake hd m 69 farm lab Rotherford Grays Oxon
 Elizabeth Blake wi m 51 Hambledon Bucks
 Frederick Perrin step son u 24 Farm Lab Wattlington Oxon

 His birth cert would tie in Elizabeth as being the right one

 Tazzie

[Ladyhawk]

Hi Elliefantasy - Do you have access to Ancestry?

I checked the pages of AJR Army Record to check whether I missed anything
It seems that Aubrey appears also as James Randal (Perrin) that explains why you couldn’t find Aubery John Perrin on the 1891 census he’s named James Perrin 

1891 RG12; Piece: 3448; Folio: 157; Page: 10
The Barracks Fulwood Preston Lancashire
James Perine (Perrin)age 20 Watlington Oxford  Private

Image 21 Miltary History Sheet
Military History Sheet shows
Home 28/1/89 – 27/12/98, India 28/12/98  - 21/4/05, Home 22/04/05 – 27/1/10
Name & address of Next of Kin
Father James } Perrin Sherbourne 3 rd?
Mother Jane  } Watlington Oxon 
The above has been crossed through and underneath written
Wife Alice with the R sussex Regt.
further down the page marriage details
Alice Eliza Jane Ticehurst 12 Dec 1898 Chichester wits William & Lucy Ticehurst 
children
William Aubrey b7/12/99 Amristar E I bapt 17/12/99 Amritsar
Doris Kathleen b3/11/00 Mur?? E.I bapt 20/11/00
Alice May b15/5/02 Mur?? E.I. 15/5/02
Joyce Adelaide b9/5/04 Ranikhel? 22/5/04
Florence Rose b20/5/06 Chichester 17/06/06
Gladys Nellie 10/7/08 Chichester 2/8/08

Aubery John Randal
Birth  abt 1871 Age at enlistment: 44
Document Year: 1915
Reg. No. 8536 Reg Name: Royal Flying Corps
Number of images: 3
Address 137 St Pancras Chichester occ Postman
Served before Yes - 3105 Rgt Royal Sussex
date of Discharge 27/1/10

Images 1 – 3
Aubery John Randel

Image 4
Short Service James Perrin No 3015 Royal Sussex Regt. Of
Watlington Oxfordshire 18 years 1 month occ. Groom
Q10 Do you belong to HMArmy etc…  Yes 4 Bn Oxford Lt. Inftry
Q11 Have you served  in “” etc… Yes as above
Joined Chichester on 30th January 1889

Image 5
Age 18yrs 1mth, Ht 5 feet 4 Ľ inches, Eyes Brown hair Dark Brown
Tattoo mark dot back of left forearm & ring 3rd finger left hand Scar back of left forearm
Cert. of Primary Military Examination fit for service in Royal Sussex Reg. 30 Jan 1889

Image 6
Death cert. Aubery John Randel Perrin

Image 7 & 8
Letter from Mr T A Felton Registrar amt’s due to me for the certificate overleaf  for AJRP also reimbursement  for cert. of Identity

Image 9, 10 & 11
Perrin A J R Chelsea Number 89211/c (revision renewals of Pension)

Images 12 & 13
Medical History James Perrin birth place Watlington Oxford trade groom
Enlisted 29/1/1881 Royal Sussex Regt No. 3105

Image 14, 15 & 16
James Perrin (18/11/99) Station or Troop Ship (long list)
Starts in Chichester 28/1/89, Preston 18/2/89 etc.. Dublin 21/4/91 admitted to hosp 17/11/91 dis. 8/12/91 Rheumatism, Muscular lots more ….. Amritsar 16/11/99

Image 17 & 18
James Perrin different list of station or troop ship
Sialkot 11/12/00 – 16/1/02 hospital 27/1/1902 dis 7/2/1902,Fort Lahore 18/2/02, Ranikhel 23/3/03, Ranikhet 6/3/04 hosp  18/6/04 dis 6/7/04, Chichester 22/4/05 hosp  20/5/06 dis  26/5/06

Image 19
James Perrin Statement of Services of No.3105
Rl Sussex 1st Bn 1/4/04, Permt Staff 3rd Bn transferred rank Sergt 22/4/05
“               “  discharged 27/1/1910
“The termination of his second period of engagement"

[Elliefantasy]

Ladyhawke - yes I have just renewed my ancestry subscription so I will check this out for Aubrey - I only wish he was consistent with his names.

Tazzie - Thanks for that, It does look like Elizabeth might have married and to a Perrin. It is curious though that James swops his surnames about, if William Perrin had died then he might have gone back to Randall but then why change back again later after going to the bother of registering one child? Not sure if the Rector is his father though, I will need to look at the dates but it might require the aquisition of proper records to pick through all of this.

Will post an update when I have sorted it all through. Finding it hard to get the time as I have a 10 week old daughter to sort out and she's not that bothered about family history!

[Elliephantasy]

Hi to anyone still following this.
I've had to change my name as I coudn't find my original login info.

Elizabeth Randall was born in Hambledon Bucks in 1823 and had 2 illegitemate children. Mary in 1845  who died at age 2 and James in 1848. James has no father on his birth certificate.

Elizabeth and James end up in the Henley workhouse in 1851 where she meets William Perrin.
They get married in 1853, they also have another son Thomas in 1852, and then have Fredrick in 1857.

In 1861 census, Elizabeth is a live-in servant  but William and the boys are in the workhouse. They have Thomas's and James's ages mixed up which is why I was having trouble with him.

William dies in 1863 and Elizabeth marries John Blake in  1868. In the 1871 census she is living with John and Fredrick (16) in Nuffied Oxfordshire until her death in 1886.

James hops back to being a Randall for the 1871 census where he is found in Watlington with his wife Harriet and Aubrey. But then from the 1881 census onwards he records himself as James Perrin consitently until his death in 1918.

Thank you to everyone who found details for me, this has been an exciting search. I also went back to the Buckingham records and found that Elizabeth had lost nearly all her family in her early teenage years which explains why she is alone in 1845. I have also found a potential link to the father, there is a James Toovey in Watlington who is the right age, who marries someone else but is jailed for 30 days just after James's birth for leaving his wife. The whole story is quite interesting so I am picking up the research again to actually write a fictional story based on the facts I have.

Just wanted to update in case this helps anyone else.
Elliefantasy/Elliephantasy.