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Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« on: Wednesday 16 May 12 13:54 BST (UK) »
Who was Charles Boileau who married Sarah Thompson at St Bride Church Fleet Street on 1 October 1836?

He was of French origin, but who where his parents and did they come to London with him?

Were did he Serve his apprenticeship and with whom in Clerkenwell or near by maybe or even France, and who was his Master?

He was born 1812/4 in France he was 22 or 24 when married Sarah in St Brides church but no mention of his family members.

His early children are born [4] in Clerkenwell one each in St Lukes and Shoreditch before he moved to Coventry then finally Liverpool.

Finding his master might show his parents or guardians name or who paid for his apprenticeship either in France or England.

This was a highly skilled ocupation at that time and would have needed a large sum to get him trained in the craft.

Any ideas out there? unfortunatly I do not speak or read any French either.

Thanks for any information in advance.

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 16 May 12 15:03 BST (UK) »
is this the charles Boileau listed in the 1860 Gore's directory of Liverpool where he's listed as an engine turner at 9 Stancliffe Street.  This would suggest he made the cases and mountings for clocks and watches, rather than build the movements.  Still a highly skilled job, but might come under a different type of appenticeship?  As he was still young when he married, he may have apprenticed in England.

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 May 12 13:03 BST (UK) »
Charles Boileau
 I do not have that address from Gores but he was living  in Liverpool at that time will check it out.

When he died in 1870 after 2 years of Paralysis aged 58, his occupation is given as Engine Turner on the death certificate,

His wife Sarah died a few months later and his occupation is given as Watch case and engine Turner on her death certificate.

My main problem is finding his family back in France lots of speculation and family rumours but no facts.

Thank you for you reply every bit helps.

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 May 12 16:53 BST (UK) »
Hi,

slightly aside and you may have this info but both he and Sarah were buried in Toxteth Park Cemetery(10 june & 4 oct 1870) - but would they have had a headstone which may have more info on?

Junev


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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 May 12 18:43 BST (UK) »
In 1861 it says he is b. Paris.

Rather speculative, but you might want to look into a possible connection with Eugene Boileau (~1813-1869), of London, engraver/artist, b. France, may have naturalised in 1862.  He lived in Clerkenwell from at least 1854 (patent notice) to 1861 (census).

There was also a Pierre Etienne Boileau, m. 1833 in St. Pancras to Candelaria Frilet.   In the 1861 census he is listed as aged 79, b. Geneva, to his wife's 54 (b. Cadiz, Spain). Daughters are Mary and Amelia.  In 1841 he is aged 55.  He probably died in 1863 (indexed as Peter Stephen Boileau).

Now, familysearch.org shows a Pierre Etienne Boilleau had a son Pierre Louis Eugene Boilleau ("Pierre Louis" could be baptismal names, this boy could have gone by Eugene day to day), with (wife) Marie Charlotte Vetter baptised in Paris in 1814.  This could easily be the same man who married in London in 1833, perhaps taking his son(s?) from his first marriage with him.
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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 May 12 14:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you junev and jorose
I did not know were they were buried will have to check that out.

Charles moved his family to Liverpool via Coventry between 1843 and 1846 [some of his children returned to Coventry in later years]
so the artist might be a related but how is the question.

1861 census giving Paris as place of birth, could be like" London rather than Liverpool" to impress others, Paris rather that the sticks.

I suspect his parents may be Jeane Baptiste Boileau and Marie Adelaide Flamain in Baulny district 55 married on 26 /06/1810
Charles death certificate gives age as 58 in 1870 so they are in the ball park.

But again this is pure speculation and has to be proved first.
At no time have I heard his parents names used, some personal contact was kept up with the family in Liverpool up to the first world war from France.

He should have been given the order of the Scarlet Pimpernel for covering his tracks.

Thanks again for your help

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 January 14 16:56 GMT (UK) »
I am a direct descendant of Charles Boileau. He was my GGG Grandfather, married at St. Bride's Church in London.

His son, Eugene Boileau married a Cullen from Ireland. They had several children in Liverpool, including my Grandmother, Ruth Monica Boileau. She met and married an American soldier from Montana, my Grandfather, Wendell Eugene Poore. They married at St. Anthony of Padua in Liverpool and settled in Cut Bank, Montana USA. My Father was one of six children later born in Billings, Montana.

Was anything else learned of Charles Boileau?

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 February 15 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Eugene Boileau was naturalised in London in 21st August 1862, a typographical engraver, married to a British subject with 3 children...1 of whom was Eugenie Catherine Boileau born 1845 in England. According to the naturalisation docs Eugene had lived in the UK for 51 years. He died 2/11/1869
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/23558/page/6405/data.pdf

I'm interested to find more about Eugenes history and his wifes name and other 2 children

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Re: Who was Charles Boileau watch and clockmaker?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 February 15 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Jonlewis
 
My Charles Boileau married Sarah Ann Thompson on 1 Oct 1836
They had 9 children between 1837 and 1849, Died in West Derby Liverpool 6 June 1870. born about 1811-13 in France.

Although he is shown as a Watch maker he was most probably trained in France or England to make the Watch and or Clock cases a highly skilled job at the time,
He lived in Clerkenwell, Shoreditch, Coventry, and West Derby Liverpool.

I am closely related to the young lady above.
I have not found his parents yet or his birth place.

Good luck with your line, let me know how you go.