1851 Camberwell even 1841 if possible SUBJECT ANSWERED THANK YOU!!

[Biker]

Hi Annie,

The familysearch site provides search results for variations on the names that you are searching on.  Although this might seem a bit of a pain, it's quite useful as sometimes surnames changed slightly over the generations e.g. my Edgar families were earlier Edger.  You can use the 'Use Exact Spelling' tickbox, but you will not catch any variations the family may have used.

Hope that helps.

ps Still not sure about the Amy Vigers Father Francis and what this has to do with John Vigers and Sarah Aves - maybe I'm being a bit dim,  but if you do then that's ok 

Is this completed now?

Regards 
Jonathan

[liverpool annie]

Hi Jonathan

I guess I had a DUH moment with family search.... I knew that....

You asked me how Amy and Francis hook up with John and Sarah -
I have this hunch and I feel I'm this close ....
I think Amy is John's niece or greatniece ..... I really feel strongly that this is the right family - they're all either solicitors or are in land/ property - but there is a lot of them and it seems to me they concentrated on the boys of the family

I know John and Sarah's daughter Sarah was married 25th June 1857 at St John the Evangelist Notting Hill to Richard John Hickman but can't get proof for parents /fathers name or an address

I thought if I followed Amy -  especially as she was single so long -  she would lead me back to the older family.....

You have been terrific and I really appreciate everything you've done - you got on quite a roll there.......

If by any chance you happen to come across anything or have any ideas of how I can pursue this family - I'd be grateful for your input

Thanks again

Annie

[Biker]

Hi Annie,

Ok I think I understand now, but before I perhaps go off at a tangent ...

Who is it you are really tracing?  which one is your family member?  If I know then we won't go round the houses 

I looked at the Marriage record on familysearch between Sarah Ethelreda Vigers and the Hickman chappie in 1857.  Do you have a copy of the marriage cert?

There is a baptism for Sarah Ethelreda Vigers in 1834 on familysearch, parents John Vigers and Sarah Ethelreda (it is unclear if Ethelreda is her surname) which seems to fit.

Are you thinking or do you know if the Sarah Ethelreda married to John Vigers is actually nee Sarah Aves ??

I'm happy to help, but I'll go round in circles without knowing who are you actually tracing 

Jonathan 

[liverpool annie]

OK Jonathan

This is the family I'm helping my friend with -
John Vigers married Sarah Etheldreda Aves in 1830 they went to America had Sarah Etheldreda (Jr) in NY in 1833 but she was baptised in London in 1834

My mission was to find out when Sarah (Sr) died and why...
I can find NOTHING....

She could have died in childbirth but there was a cholera epidemic in NY in 1830
but I wondered if there was any possibility she could have come back - but as I can't find how they got there - how can I find how they got back....?

I checked all the cemeteries that I could for that time period -  including the special sites they had for the epidemic casualties - like Hart's Island where they took the emigrants that died at sea - but their records are not complete and I keep coming up with nada....!!

Emigration shipping lists yield nothing
With a name like John - I have come up with a couple of possibilities but nothing concrete

They weren't there long enough for naturalization papers or census

They were obviously there for Sarah (Jr) to be born - though for a while I was begining to doubt it......

1830 is too early for Ellis Island - so it's been a question of trawling through endless shipping lists

I was even thinking maybe Vigers was a Jewish name and he had married out of the faith but I couldn't anything from that angle either......

I checked NARA and as I have an ID I was able to go to their research satelite in Denver but nothing has shown up -
so I thought I would work backwards trying to find information that was provable - it's been a long process and I should have given up long ago - but it's ticking me off that I can't find what I want 
and I'm just perverse enough to keep going - I've got this far - why not go all the way.. so......... that's the story - you asked........!!!!

Thanks for listening

Annie

[Biker]

Annie,

If she died in England post-1837 then the best thing I can suggest is consulting the death registers either at your local FHC or online here http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/ which is a paysite.

I would also look at the original of the Baptism for Sarah in 1834 - it may yield some clues about the parents.

I guess I should have asked the question earlier (we live and learn  ) as the time I've spent has mostly provided information you already knew with just a few new bits seemingly unlreated to your actual goal.  Pity.

Best of luck finding the death cert for Sarah or the family in earlier censuses.

Cheers
Jonathan

[liverpool annie]

Jonathan
You gave me a lot of information that was great and it helped me - and you gave me encouragement
I just hope you don't think I have wasted your time
I do appreciate your time and effort - honestly!
Annie

[Biker]

Annie,

No problem at all, at least you have a bit more info about the family.

Let us know when you find out the answer!

Regards 
Jonathan

[johnrousdon]

Have various bits of info on this Vigers family including short family trees.
I also cannot track Sarah Etheldreda Aves back before her marriage to John.   

Have a rather poor picture of John available if wanted.     Also of Sarah Etheldreda Hickman née Vigers.   (She was my great grandmother and died in 1912.)      After her father's death she lived with her cousin Edward Vigers at 23 Lisson Street, Paddington.   Richard John Hickman lived at the junction of Lisson St & chapel St. - almost the boy next door.

Never used a chatroom before so if I have contravened any etiquette blame it on inexperience!

[jody 101]

I too am very new too a chat site. If you requiring info on John Vigers ancestors i can go back to Edward Vigers (1726). His 2nd marriage to Peace Toplis in 1837 produced one child Elizabeth who sadly died at about 4 yrs of age.