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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #45 on: Friday 27 January 06 21:05 GMT (UK) »
I've now seen the image:

Alexander N? CRIGHTON, 64
Factory Manager
Widower

Normal place of residence: British France

+ Names of parents as I have them (both deceased)

Christina MICHIE, 44
Spinster

Interestingly, the first witness was Alfred Gilbert JACKSON, almost certainly a relative of Alexander's first wife Matilda.

So it looks like he just came back to Scotland to get married and then returned to France.

The plot thickens!

Al

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #46 on: Friday 27 January 06 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Woo Hoo!  I've just printed out the image and it's much clearer.  I'm fairly certain now it says for Usual Residence "Dunkirk France".  Now where was that site that had Actes de naissance for different communes....?

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 28 January 06 07:43 GMT (UK) »
Stick with it Al, you are doing a great job!  You'll sort  them out one day ;D

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #48 on: Monday 30 January 06 02:29 GMT (UK) »


Excellent!!

Why is it that you always find stuff after it's already been found ?? I swear this wasn't here BEFORE you found it!!  :P :P :P

Alexander Nicol Crighton
Record    Deaths
Age           77
Quarter   December
Year      1900
District   West Derby
County   Lancashire
Volume   8b
Page   281

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #49 on: Monday 30 January 06 07:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Al,

Just some comments.

You mentioned problems with ActiveX and ScotlandsPeople.  Have you tried Direct Download?  Of the three methods, I wouldn't use anything else!  I don't know much about ActiveX but I've been told that the access one has to grant to use the other (Java) method is a real security worry.

I am a very stern critic of SP from time to time myself but I have to come to their defence!  It's hardly a rip-off to get a certificate with heaps of information for a measly 6 credits (1 for the search and 5 for the image - one pound 20p) when an English certificate (no search facility) containing skeletal information costs seven quid!  But I have to admit that it is easy to get carried away and spend up big on SP - one needs to be very disciplined in one's searches (i.e. do as I say not as I do  ;D ).

The thread 'Optimise ScotlandsPeople searches' by David Douglas is well worth reading.  See:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
And always check out the IGI first - for example, the IGI had the exact 1823 birthdate, place and middle name of Alexander, and his parents' names.  The extracted entries in the IGI taken from the Statutory Register for Scotland for the period 1855 to ca 1875 are particularly good and can save one from spending money unnecessarily on SP.

On SP, a free search for Matilda CR*HTON in the 1861 census brings up only one result - and selecting Dundee as the district finds that's where it is.  And you now know from Dorothy that this is your Matilda.  And you also know that Matilda had left Dundee by the time of the 1871 census (son John born in France in 1867).

As I understand it you were a bit doubtful about spelling variations.  Admittedly, spelling had probably pretty much settled down by >1865 (the period in which, according to the subject line, you are interested) but it certainly varied before then (I have about 90 variants - and counting - in one name I'm researching!).

For instance children of John 'CRIGHTON' and Isabel/Isobel/Isabell/Isabella SINCLAIR (all extracted entries from the IGI, all in Angus) appear under four variant spellings - CRICHTON, CREIGHTON, CRIGHTON, CHRICHTON:
*John CRICHTON, 1821, Eassie & Nevay
*Alexander Nicoll CREIGHTON, 1823, Airlie
*James CRIGHTON, 1825, Glamis
*Margt. CRIGHTON, 1826, Glamis
*Isabell CRICHTON, 1830, Airlie
*William CHRICHTON, 1832, Glamis
*Elizabeth CRICHTON, 1836, Dundee
*John CRIGHTON, 1839, Dundee

In the 1841 census (on FreeCEN - ages of those over 15 supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5; fortunately this enumerator listed Isabella under her maiden surname which they sometimes did in Scotland, especially in 1841) they appear as CRICHTON:
Seagate, Dundee
CRICHTON John, 40, Carter, b Angus
SINCLAIR Isabella, 40, b Angus
CRICHTON Anne, 10, b Angus
CRICHTON John, 2, b Angus
I didn't see an Anne in the IGI - and FamilySearch is down at present.

Did you find the deaths of John and Isabella on SP? - which would take you another generation back (if the informants knew the names of their parents, fathers' occupation, and mothers' maiden surnames).  If you find their deaths, it would help restrict your census searches.  You could also then (hoping that the parents survived until 1855) look for the deaths of their parents which would take you another generation back.

A free search on SP for the death of an Is* CR*HTON, other name SINCLAIR (married women are indexed under both married and, if known, maiden names) got just one hit.  Still in the free search, refining the year range, age range, and spelling found that this was Isabella CRICHTON/SINCLAIR who died 1868 aged 66 - this might or might not be yours.

I suppose you noticed what might be Matilda JACKSON in the 1841 census on FreeCEN.
Hospital Park 7, Dundee
JACKSON James, 35, Labourer, b Angus
SCOTT Helen, 40, b Angus
JACKSON Barbra Scott, 9, b Angus
JACKSON Matilda, 7, b Angus
JACKSON Janet, 5, b Angus
This might or might not be yours.  Though earlier I think you said that Matilda's mother was Helen but that her maiden name was ROSS?? (strange that Alexander and Matilda didn't name a daughter Helen ...).

A free search finds only one hit on SP for the death of a Helen JACKSON, other name SCOTT, before 1900 (which seemed a reasonable cut-off date).  Refining the parameters (still free) shows that this Helen died in 1880, aged 79.  She might or might not be yours.  I didn't try other name ROSS.

All the very best,

JAP




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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #50 on: Monday 30 January 06 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi JAP,

Thanks for all your advice and information.  I really should be more patient with Scotlandspeople - it's not their fault that I wasted so many credits trying to find my CRIGHTONs when they were in fact in France!

My ggg Grandmother was Helen SCOTT - I don't know where I got ROSS from :-[

Off to check out the death of Isabella SINCLAIR/CRIGHTON on SP before my credits run out again.

Thanks again,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #51 on: Monday 30 January 06 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Just checked out the death record for Isabella - this has to be my ggg Grandmother.  The record says that Isabella was the widow of John CRIGHTON, Cloth Packer - the same name & occupation as on my gg Grandparents marriage certificate.  Her parent's names also tie up with those I have.

Thanks again JAP,

Regards,

Al
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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #52 on: Monday 30 January 06 20:44 GMT (UK) »


Hi Al!

D'you think this Isabella could be one of yours??

1891
Sinclair, Isabella    38    Mother-in-law Scotland Bootle
RG12/2970 Folio   133 Page 58

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Re: No trace of my Crighton ancestors after 1865
« Reply #53 on: Monday 30 January 06 21:42 GMT (UK) »


Hi Al!

D'you think this Isabella could be one of yours??

1891
Sinclair, Isabella    38    Mother-in-law Scotland Bootle
RG12/2970 Folio   133 Page 58

Annie  :)
Hi Annie!

It looks very likely that she's one of mine - the name, from Scotland and in the cotton trade!  Probably a great niece in-law ??? of my gg Grandmother Isabella.  I need to go through the 1891 census for Bootle and find out how far away was Isabella from John, my 1st cousin twice removed who was busy chatting up his landlady in 1891 :o

Cheers,

Al
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