Kennedy Walker 1851 Old Monkland

[sancti]

Heather there was no requirement to record births, deaths or marriages prior to 1855, even when they were recorded they were held by individual churches and many didn't survive.

[sancti]

1841 census has this record


Hugh Martin 25
Margrate Martin 30
John Martin 5
James Martin 1 3 Mo
Margrate Walker 10 born Lanarkshire occ F.S.

Address Calder Bank Iron Works

The closest BAPTISMs on the OPR's with the surnames on Margarets death record are for a William 1826 and Jane 1828 in Old Monkland to parents James WALKER and Jane DUFF

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OPR's have this marriage record

30/12/1831

MARTIN HUGH and MARGARET DUFF

at

OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE

/LANARK

Looks like Margaret Walker's father may have died and Margaret Duff re-married

[fraoch29]

Sancti,

Thank you so so much I really appreciate it this is very helpful and very enlightening. Never thought about possible remarry but always wondered why we had her listed as Margaret Martin Walker Kennedy.  All makes sense now. Again thank you!

-Heather

[Acatrini]

Hi Heather

I have been researching the MARTIN family for a friend.  It would appear in the light of what you have written that Margaret DUFF later MARTIN had a daughter Margaret WALKER born 22 Nov 1831 to William WALKER a month prior to her marrying Hugh MARTIN on 31 Dec 1931. 

Before finding your information, I had assumed that Margaret WALKER aged 10 in the 1841 Census living with Hugh and Margaret MARTIN was Margaret's niece - the daughter of her sister Jean DUFF who married James WALKER. 

Below is the 1851 Census showing James and Jean WALKER with some of their children: (only their 2 eldest children's births were registered as another subscriber acknowledged)

1851 Census: 21 Stone Row Old Forge, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Jane Walker   Head   W   45   Domestic Duties   Glasgow, Lanarkshire
William Walker   Son   U   24   Puddler Malleable Iron Works   Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Jane Walker   Dau   U   22   Servant Store Cleaner   Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
James Walker   Son   U   18   Assistant Roller Iron Works   Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Agnes Walker   Dau      11   Scholar         Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Mungo Walker   Son        8   Scholar         Old Monkland, Lanarkshire

As you can see from the Census above, Margaret would have fitted in perfectly agewise between Jane and James!

Margaret DUFF later MARTIN was born on 2 Oct 1806 at Glasgow daughter of James DUFF, File Smith and Jean THOMSON.   Her parents had 3 children registered in the OPRs. 

OPR Marriage: 11 Nov 1803 Glasgow
James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON residenter there married 11 Nov by Dr William Taylor one of the Ministers of Glasgow

OPR Births
John DUFF b 16 Jan 1804 Glasgow son of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON
Jean DUFF b 23 Apr 1805 Glasgow dau of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON
**Margaret DUFF b 2 Oct 1806 Glasgow dau of James DUFF, File Smith in Glasgow and Jean THOMSON

OPR Marriage: 30 Dec 1831 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Hugh MARTIN and Margaret DUFF both in this parish to be proclaimed;  these said parties Hugh MARTIN and Margaret DUFF were married at The Monkland Forge on 30 Dec 1831 by the Rev George Sommerville, Minister of the Wellington Secession Church, Airdrie

Death: 22 May 1865      Margaret MARTIN   aged 58
Merryston House   Married to Hugh MARTIN   Iron Master
COATBRIDGE      Father: James DUFF File Cutter (decd)
Old Monkland      Mother: Jane DUFF ms THOMSON (decd)
Lanarkshire      Cause: Apoplexy 1 day cert Charles Adam MD
         Informant: Hugh Martin Jnr, son (present)

Death: 5 Jan 1884      Hugh MARTIN   Iron Master   aged 72
Merryston House      Married    1) Margaret DUFF   2) Mary Ann BRYAN
COATBRIDGE      Father: John MARTIN   Iron Master (decd)
Lanarkshire      Mother: Ann MARTIN ms ROBERTON (decd)
         Cause: Heart Disease 2 years; Congestion of Lungs 21 days cert Robert Munro Surgeon
         Informant: James Martin, son – Ellangowan Cottage, St John Street, Coatbridge

Death: 20 Nov 1915      Mary Ann MARTIN   age 68
Rockview         Widow of Hugh MARTIN   Iron Manufacturer
Ardnadam      Father: -------- BRYAN (decd)
Inellan         Mother: -------------BRYAN ms Unknown (decd)
Dunoon         Cause: Asthma; Cardiac Failure cert Joseph Clarke MD
Argyll         Informant: A G Martin, son

Hugh and Margaret show in the 1841 to 1861 Census, after which Hugh shows with his 2nd wife Mary Ann BRYAN.

1851 Census: Merryston House, Coatbridge, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin   Head   M   39   Malleable Iron Manufacturer      Old Monkland, Lnrks
Margaret Martin   Wife   M   44            Old Monkland, Lnrks
John Martin   Son      15               Old Monkland, Lnrks
Hugh Martin   Son      10   At School         Old Monkland, Lnrks
William Martin   Son        6   At School         Old Monkland, Lnrks
James Martin   Son        4   At Home         Old Monkland, Lnrks
Andrew Martin   Son        4   At Home         Old Monkland, Lnrks


1861 Census: West Merryston House, Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin   Head   M   49   Iron Manufacturer Employer      Cambusnethan, Lnrks
Margaret Martin   Wife   M   54               Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Hugh Martin   Son   U   19   Iron Roller         Calderbank, Lnrks
William Martin   Son   U   16   Iron Worker         Calderbank, Lnrks
James Martin   Son      14   Iron Worker         Calderbank, Lnrks
Andrew Martin   Son      14   Iron Worker         Calderbank, Lnrks
Harriette Williams   Servant      15   Servant      Bothwell, Lnrks

I hope this helps shed some light on Margaret's past.

Regards Acatrini

[Forfarian]

Is Dalziel the same as Motherwell? I am still confused by the county, parish city differences.

Not quite!

Historically, Scotland is divided into 33 counties, and about 900 parishes. (This was all changed in 1975 but I won't go into that now.) Most parishes are within a county, but there are some which straddle the boundaries of two or more counties. The basic unit for recording information about birth/baptisms, banns/marriages, deaths/burials and census, was the parish, so you always need to know which parish/district it was. Mostly this tells you the county as well, but not always.

In most parishes the main centre of population had the same name as the parish, so the village of East Kilbride is in the parish of East Kilbride, and the town of Lanark is in the parish of Lanark. Both East Kilbride and Lanark are in the county of Lanark (which is why I always use Lanarkshire to indicate that I mean the county, not the town or parish.)

There are some counties, however, where for one reason or another the largest town or village had a different name from its parish. This applies, for example, to Airdrie in the parish of New Monkland, Coatbridge in the parish of Old Monkland, Motherwell in the parish of Dalziel, Wishaw in the parish of Cambusnethan, Strathaven in the parish of Avondale etc etc. However all these parishes also contain country (landward) areas as well as the towns.

So the short answer is that Motherwell is in the parish of Dalziel, but it is only part of the parish.

There is county-by-county and parish-by-parish information at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/

Does that help?

[Lodger]

Up until about 1895 (or perhaps 1898) about half of present-day Motherwell was in the parish of Hamilton. There was even a small part of it in Bothwell parish. The village (now district) of Craigneuk, although historically part of Dalziel parish, is part of the town of Wishaw.
Confused? You are now!

[Forfarian]

Oh, dear, and there I was trying to keep it simple