Ratten Row, Dearham, Cumberland

[bejaysunny]

I am researching the family of Richard and Eleanor Proud who appear in censuses as living in Ratten Row , Dearham. I also would dearly like to know more about this address. My great-great-grandparents  Faulder and Nancy Proud migrated to Gympie in Qld, Australia in the 1860's with their entire large family.
I have visited modern-day Dearham and love the old Anglican Church but would love to know more about it. the Prouds appear on all the censuses back to 1841 but I don't know much about what it was like then. They were miners and were also said to have been potters. Before that I think they would have been poor farmers. 
Connie from Oz         

Connie, I think you may have contacted me by email some time ago about Graves in St. Mungos churchyard. Have you discovered cumbriaroots.uk? This has Bishops Transcript, recording BMD and baptisms from 1663-1837 and sveral Proud(e)s are recorded. Thses records often include occupations or even 'a poor man' etc.

[Connie from OZ]

Thank you for your reply. I respect your reservations about being inundated with requests but it is fascinating to try and reconstruct what it would have been like in those days.
I would like to be in any loop of people who are interested in Dearham history. I didn't know it existed while my grandmother was alive. She thought her father came from Durham. I am hoping to set up a Proud family blog, which will include Muckleroys.
The family diaspora all along the East Coast of Australia and in Western Australia also indicates how tough it was in those days looking for work. I have discovered that they were all Primitive Methodists by the time they got to Australia. This was the pro Union split-off from the Wesleyans, who were favoured by the mine owners for their protestant work ethic, family values and literacy..
I looked at the Methodist Church in Dearham  but it had not the the charm of the old Anglican Church.
I have looked at the Bishops transcripts and found various family records, nothing before 1841 though. The 1881 census mentions that the Prouds were originally upland farmers as I guess most of the poorer folks were. The largest number lived in Yorkshire.
I subscribe to Ancestry and have corresponded with a lot of extended family through that.The lives of neighbours and fellow passengers have also proved to be informative in developing a realistic picture of life in those days. I still hope to go back to Dearham some day but it will have to be soon as I am 77 now.
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer but don't feel obligated. Connie Peters, Sydney, Australia.

[bejaysunny]

No Prouds or Muckleroys on any of the legible inscriptions, Im afraid. I am hoping to get the village on board to hold a heritage weekend during 2013, currently just chatting the idea around. One friend lives in a tiny terraced house, probably built ss a miners dwelling, and at the 1901 census it was home to a widow with four daughters, a young teen son who was a miner, and a lodger. It has two small bedrooms, and one of the two downstairs rooms was used as a shop! The terrace is in one of the areas suggested for Ratten Row.
bejaysunny

[bejaysunny]

An afterthought, have you searched McIlroy, MacIlroy, Macilroy, all names I encountered whilst living in Scotland.
bajaysunny

[Connie from OZ]

No, they were Muckleroys. Father Patrick , mother Elizabeth Fulton. Nancy Muckleroy was born in Ireland and had a thick Irish accent. Thanks anyway.

[lister107]

No, they were Muckleroys. Father Patrick , mother Elizabeth Fulton. Nancy Muckleroy was born in Ireland and had a thick Irish accent. Thanks anyway.

[lister107]

No, they were Muckleroys. Father Patrick , mother Elizabeth Fulton. Nancy Muckleroy was born in Ireland and had a thick Irish accent. Thanks anyway.

Was the question of Rotton row ever resolved? I have lived here all my life and am sure Rotton row was the row of back to back houses immediately after outgang garden center. My gggfand his family lived in outgang cottages for a while in the mid to late1800s. Lister was their surname. I can remember as a kid a couple of the old cottages still standing. This is now Laws garden center. Providence place is the name of a small row of cottages set back from the road and is just below where I currently live which was locally known as Sandham row as it was opposite Sandhams bakery on the cobbles,as were many terraces. 20 row as someone mentioned is actually Londsdale terrace opposite the old folks bungalows at commercial corner.Most of the houses on maryport road date from the early 1900s. the three on the corner opposite commercial were built first then our row in 1854 then providence place. Any one wanting a brief history of Dearhamshould read the books written by someone called his surname is WinterI will see if I can find what they are called, but I have read them and it is ammazing to see Dearhams varied history

[bejaysunny]

What a goldmine of information! A few of us have just started meeting at the Sun Inn, 4pm Thursdays, to pool information on Dearham's heritage and this personal knowledge is an answer to prayer! We will be looking at very old maps this week and trying to identify locations - we would love you to join us if you can, or contact me to share more information. I know some youngsters who would love to know about life 'in the olden days' and It would be great to get them connected! I am very interested in the books you mention, but more than anything it is personal recollection that gives a real flavour of the past.

[hiyamarra]

Lister107
Many thanks for your informative reply. No, as yet the actual location of Ratten Row is still not clear. My ancestors are show living there on the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census. I have an 1865 map of the exact area (I believe) but nothing marked Ratten Row. I would still welcome any help in pinpointing the exact place. If you send me a private message with your e-mail address, I can e-mail you the map
Many Thanks