George MAWBEY

[outerspacenik]

I received a response to my previously request for assistance with this subject on 20 February, but now have more information after seeing his death certificate. The name of his mother is given as 'unknown'; he came from 'Surrey' and spent 30 years in the colony of New South Wales; he and his father Joseph arrived c.1832; both were 'dealers', buying and selling goods for a living. George was also a publican and a schoolteacher. He appears to have been well educated judging by his handwriting and how he expressed himself in a letter to The Australian newspaper in 1837. Maybe the best way of finding him is in a census.

[Valda]

Hi

Previous posts so others can see what has already been found to avoid duplication of effort

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,514678.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,516206.0.html

Information on early censuses pre the first nationally surviving census in 1841 is in the guide at the top of the Surrey board (very little information on early censuses - see guide)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403497.0.html

The Selon index mentioned in the list is a privately held index (Google for address)


Regards

Valda

[outerspacenik]

Thank you Valda for responding to my query so quickly.

I tried to follow up the lead I was given here about Joseph and Charlotte Mawbey, about her burial at Christ Church, Southwark in 1810. This sounded promising, but it seems I cannot look at these records online. I would like to know her surname.

The census material sounds too late.

A George Mabey, a servant from Surrey, was transported to NSW in around 1826 and this may have been my ancestor.

George Mawbey's death certificate suggests he arrived in 1832, but information for this was provided by his 17 year old daughter. I'm wondering if he spent time in a workhouse. His letter published in the Australian newspaper, and the fact he later worked as a schoolmaster at a small Church of England diocesan school, indicate he was well educated.

It appears he was also involved in professional theatre, so his spoken English must have been good too.

I don't think his father Joseph came to Australia with him now.

[rosie99]

I tried to follow up the lead I was given here about Joseph and Charlotte Mawbey, about her burial at Christ Church, Southwark in 1810. This sounded promising, but it seems I cannot look at these records online. I would like to know her surname.

Hi

The burial record only gives the date of 30th January 1810 and the name Charlotte Mawbey. (This is available to view online on  Ancestry)  English burial records give very little information prior to 1837, after which you may also have the abode and age and extremely rarely next of kin. 

Rosie

[outerspacenik]

This may be too left field, but are there any rumours about Sir Joseph Mawbey having any illegitimate sons?

[rosie99]

Sorry I don't know the answer to that 

Rosie

[outerspacenik]

George Mawbey b.1809 England and his father Joseph were both 'dealers'.
They were not agricultural workers or tradesmen.
This suggests they lived in a large town or city like London.
In Australia George worked predominantly as a clerk, doing the accounts for privately owned businesses.
His first appearance in historical newspapers is as an actor in the first professional theatre in Sydney.
Then as a witness at court on behalf of a former employer, a wealthy ironmonger, for whom he had worked as a clerk.
George then appears to have gone out on his own as a 'tinman' before acquiring a licence for a pub.
He then went to the newly established province of South Australia, and set up Refreshment Rooms in the commercial heart of Adelaide.
On his return to Sydney, he worked as a clerk for a large bookstore in Sydney.
The family then moved to the rural outskirts of Sydney, to an orchard area at Dural near Parramatta, where he was the schoolmaster at a CE diocesan school.
When he died in Sydney in 1852 he was a dealer.

[outerspacenik]

There is an Australian convict record on Ancestry for a Geo Mabey transported on the ship Henry.
The Henry made two trips transporting convicts from England, one to Port Jackson (Sydney) 1823 with male convicts and another to Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) 1824 with female convicts.
George Mawbey's death certificate gives the impression he came in 1832 when he was 23.
So if he came in 1823 he was only 14.

The handwritten record on Ancestry.com.au is very difficult to read (see attached).
Could somebody please help me out with deciphering this record, particularly the place where he came from (first column, right-hand page)?

His occupation is 'indoor and outdoor servant' and I think the last column says he is from Surrey.
He is 5 ft 7 in tall with brown hair and sallow complexion.

The person who found this for me says he was tried at Surrey Quarter Sessions.
Are these records available online?

If this is George Mawbey, he may have changed the spelling of his name to hide his convict past, and to make himself sound as if he came from an important knighted English family.

Fingers crossed ...

[Valda]

Hi

Please do not attach copyright material from subscription websites. Moderators will have to remove them as Rootschat acknowledges and keeps within copyright laws. What is allowable is to attach a small part of a record if you are seeking help from other Rootschatters with transcribing it because it is difficult to read.

I have merged two further posts made on George Mawbey on the Surrey boards with this the main topic. This will keep all the information together otherwise it becomes confusing and Rootschatters will try to help with one post only to find their efforts have been duplicated by other Rootschatters on other posts on the same subject on another topic, or the information has already been found. Many Rootschatters find this particularly annoying when they have given their time freely only to see it was a wasted effort. Please post further on this topic only.

Additionally information on the possible baptism of George Mawbey. Please see this link.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,595053.0.html


Regards

Valda
Co-moderator Surrey board