How is Martha TAYLOR related to John CHILD

[Neil Todd]

Are we all talking about the same John Child died 1885, Ref # 1885/C555

Seems we need a lot more info from Jackiea.

Neil

[majm]

Hi there,

I am having difficulty in finding a likely death in Queensland for Martha TAYLOR.   However, I am only using the online index for BDM in Queensland and I am aware that there are flaws in that index.
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=deaths

Neil,  I am not sure if we are all talking about the same John CHILD.  The OP has 1880 rather than 1885.  I agree, we need more info from Jackiea.   

A big mystery to me. John Child passed away in 1880 in queensland. He was insolvent in the late 1870's and it wasnt until 1914 a case was bought before the courts as Martha Taylor died and left a sum of money to the late John Child. The courts ordered the monies from Martha Taylor's estate be used to pay the people who were owed money from John Child before he died.  I can not find how Martha taylor was related to John Child and if she was why was her will not changed prior to her death as John had died in 1880. Can anyone help with these questions?
Thank you in advanced for your help.

ADDING, I have mentioned TWO John CHILD deaths, one in 1880 in England and one in 1885 in Qld.

Cheers,  JM

[muss]

Hi

I notice that there is a mention of John Child and Martha Taylor on this

http://genforum.genealogy.com/taylor/messages/27008.html


Muss

[muss]

Hi

Also on this

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=11154&p=surnames.taylor


Muss

[majm]

Well found Muss, 

Now I can see why I could not find Martha Taylor's death in Queensland, Australia.   

Many thanks Muss.

Hope we can continue to advance Jackiea's search for her. 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

 Re Martha TAYLOR died 1913, England.


Some thoughts .... hopefully not too dis-jointed ....


1. I wonder if the following GRO reference is for her?
Martha Taylor, Aged 75, registered IoW, Vol 2b page 741 for the 4th Quarter of 1913.

2. Would an English d.c. show if the deceased was a widow, and if so, would it show her maiden name or any other former surnames? .... Sadly, it seems that they don’t provide that type of detail.  http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/deaths.htm  “This is the name by which they were known at the time of death. If, therefore, someone started life with a different name but by usage has come to be called something else you will not find any reference to the original name on older certificates” And http://www.britishancestors.com/research/bmd.php  “Please note that English death certificates do not provide any information on parents or other family members.”

3. Where was Jackiea’s Martha Taylor in 1901? Perhaps IF (and that is a very very distant IF)  she was the one who died IoW 1913, then perhaps .... and AGAIN I stress this is very very speculative, ..... perhaps she was living on IoW in 1901.   I don’t have access to 1911 UK Census, and also a reminder that RChat policy does not permit lookups for that 1911 UK Census.

But for 1901 I can see on Newport Rd, Newchurch IoW,   RG13; 1028; 94; 19. 
Henry TAYLOR, Head, 61, bricklayer, Grocer, Employer, At home, born IoW Haden Street
Martha TAYLOR, wife, baker etc shopkeeper, IoW Wootton
Arthur TAYLOR, son, single,31, bricklayer, worker, IoW, Wootton
Walter TAYLOR, son, single, 26, Baker, worker, at home, IoW, Newchurch
Oscar, TAYLOR, son, 21, carpenter, single, worker, IoW, Newchurch
Florrie TAYLOR, niece, single, 10,  IoW, Ventror

I apologise for any spelling errors with locations.  I am not familiar with Isle of Wright localities, it is so very far away from Lake Macquarie, NSW, Australia.

Hope I am not being too speculative re the above possible sighting for Martha Taylor, and I realise I am not connecting the dots to sort out how any Martha Taylor who died 1913 in England was connected to John Child who migrated to Queensland in 1863, but who may well have returned to England where he likely died in 1880.... .

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

I could well be way off track, apologies if so, particularly to Jackiea.

According to the INDEX for Qld immigrants list at this link:

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Immigration1848.aspx

John CHILD, aged 39, Elizabeth CHILD aged 29 and John Child aged 8 and William Child aged 4 arrived in Queensland on the ship “Monsoon” on 17 August 1854.  The passenger list is references IMM/112, at page 69, and M/film references are Z1957 and M1696 at the Queensland State Archives. 

Other RChatters have noticed a John CHILD’s death registered in 1885 in country Queensland (#C555) and that the index does not mention his parents names .... noting only that he was born in England.   

I cannot find any Qld dc indexed for Elizabeth CHILD nor for any William CHILD with mum’s given name of Elizabeth. 

I don’t have access to any INWARD passengers returning to the UK up to 1880s, very sorry Jackiea.

Cheers,  JM (I am NSW centric, so I am not much chop when it comes to looking up anywhere outside of NSW)

[cando]

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/59079469 Townsville Daily  7 Feb 1914.

"Letters of administration In the goods of John Child, late of Lorne Hill Station, but formerly of Townsvile, grazier, deceased. Intestate, who died at Cowan Downs Station on May 22, 1885, were granted to Mary Wilson, of Ingham, widow. ......"

I think this would be the John Child that Dundee mentions.


Cheers,  JM

Insolvency 1866
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lw1/

Brisbane Courier…24 Oct 1876 acquitted of fraudulent insolvency
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lvz/

1885 – right hand column –
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lw0/

ACCORDING to a telegram received by the - Commissioner of Police from Sub-inspector Ahearne a fearful outrage was perpetrated by a Chinaman named Young Sin at Muttaburra on Friday. The Chinaman, it appears, was  committing a brutal assault on his wife, and a  man named John Childs interfered to protect
her. The infuriated Celestial attacked Childs with a large knife and stabbed him in eleven different parts of the body. The injured man was placed under medical attendance as soon as possible, but two of the wounds are of such a serious character that it is feared he will not recover. The Chinaman has been arrested.

Perhaps this info may be helpful...or not.  I haven't included Letters of Administration.

Probate grants UK 1913

TAYLOR Martha of 49 Queen-street Farnworth Lancashire widow died 1 April 1912 Probate London 28 January to Joseph Albert Taylor contractor and James Healey grocer’s assistant.  Effects £1138.16.4

TAYLOR Martha of Prospect-place Meltham Huddersfield spinster died 27 May 1911 Probate Wakefield 19 February to Theophilus Taylor farmer and Gervase Taylor patent glazier.  Effects £316.19.0.

1914
TAYLOR Martha of Sandry-road Seaforth Lancashire widow died 26 November 1913 Probate Liverpool 2 July to Elizabeth Mann spinster.  Effects £479.1.8.

TAYLOR Martha of Westfield House Batley Yorkshire widow died 22 May 1914 Probate London 20 July to Gertrude Elsie Taylor spinster and Edmund AudsleyTaylor woollen merchant. Effects £3049.5.3.

TAYLOR Martha of 3 Carill-drive Fallowfield Manchester [wife of Henry Taylor] died 14 August 1914 Probate Manchester 21 September to Stafford Taylor solicitor.  Effects £3611.12.11

Cheers
Cando

[majm]

TAYLOR Martha of 49 Queen-street Farnworth Lancashire widow died 1 April 1912 Probate London 28 January (1913) to Joseph Albert Taylor contractor and James Healey grocer’s assistant.  Effects £1138.16.4

Following up from one of the items that Cando has kindly posted...

There’s mention of FARNWORTH and Joseph Albert TAYLOR as executor for Martha Taylor at this link: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.taylor/12069/mb.ashx

In 1901 at 76 Brackley St, Farnworth, Lancs, England  RG13; 3600; 28;48.
William TAYLOR, head, 47, joiner Carp, own (employer), born Bolton
Martha TAYLOR, wife, 48, born Bolton
Joseph Alb TAYLOR son, 17, Cotton cord cutter, worker, born Farnworth
Harold TAYLOR, son, 15, Joiner’s App. Carp. Worker, born Farnworth
Ada TAYLOR, dau 5, born Farnworth
James CROMPTON, F in L, Widower, 82, Retired Postman, born Bolton
Martha TAYLOR, dau, 12, born Farnworth.

Perhaps Martha’s son Joseph Alb Taylor was that Joseph Albert Taylor.   I also notice that Martha’s maiden name was most likely CROMPTON as per the surname for the retired postman, F in L being “Father in Law” to William Taylor, whose wife was Martha.

Cheers,  JM