Michael Behan information

[mnbarrett]

Hi

I was wondering if anyone could help me with this one.

My grandfathers brother Micheal, born october 1897, died april 1923.
I have his burial record for glasnevin cemetery, and he was apparently a soldier in the civil war.

The records are a bit confusing as listed on his birth record in 1897 is his mother, with the married name of behan, but his mother and father did not seem to marry until 1902, so I am not sure why she uses her married name.


has anyone come across something similar before?
also how would I go about finding more information about him being in service. I had thought of the freemans journal for death information but it will be a while before I can get in to the library.

Any ideas appreciated.
 

[rathmore]

http://irishmedals.org/gpage45.html

[myluck!]

At the time unless you were a long way from your home place it would be very difficult for a couple to live together without marrying, though not unheard of.

It could be that the 1902 certificate is for a second marriage?

Have you found the family on the 1901 and 1911 census returns?
How did they describe themselves on those?

[IrishMedals]

You can apply to the Irish Military Archive (link below) for his service record, be sure to state you are related as some of the records are only available to next of kin. It takes a while, sometimes up to a year, to get the records so be prepared for a long wait.

http://www.military.ie/info-centre/military-archives

[mnbarrett]

Thanks everyone, I will apply to that site and see what happens

hi Myluck, they lived most of their lives in and around the liberties. That was where their parents lived and also where they registered all of their children. All registered in the same church they were married in.

I cannot find them on the 1901 census, but did manage to find them on the 1911 census, again all in the local area.

It has been a difficult family to trace so far, all help appreciated

[myluck!]

If you want to give us Michael's parents names (and even siblings) to help search for more records it would help us find a little more

I think I can see the family at Dicksons Row in 1911
If this is correct have a look at the original - James has written he was married 15 years with 5 children all living
This was crossed out and rewritten on the row for Annie
Now look at the children's ages - There is 6 years between Michael and Joseph with no deaths shown

I have come across an entry like this where the husband had married twice and he wrote the length  of time from his first marriage date to the census date rather than the duration of the second marriage - I would consider that there is another record for him out there

[mnbarrett]

Hi my luck

yes thats the family in dicksons row in 1911, I was unable to find them in 1901, Michaels parents, james and annie's marriage cert is for november of that year.

Joseph was my grandfather, and i have not been able to confirm his birth, from my mothers recollection and death record, it looks like he was born in 1903 but i think it was closer to 1901.
there are quite a few records i have gotten that were incorrect.

the remarried thing makes some sense except for on Michaels birth record his mothers maiden name is moran, which was correct for Annie, Annie Moran, in 1897. So she is listed as his mother, even before their marriage. i have attached the birth of Michael.

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