Roose Free chr 17 Aug 1561 Dallinghoo

[Suffolk Sue B]

Hope we can help each other a bit with the Rouses - although I've been chasing them for 20 years. and every time I think I've got their tail, they throw another puzzle at me!!!
John Wink Rous married Martha Hurren nee Rouse at Westleton 9 July 1819. and Diana Rouse married William Hurren at Yoxford 10 Feb. 1809. Not sure how or if these two Hurrens are related as I haven't worked on them for a long time.
John Wink Rouse also married a Sarah James at Brooke. Norfolk 4 July 1833.
If you look at Benhall on the Charles Sale website there are three entries for Rous - a double one for John Rous (d. 1834) and his first wife Mary (d.1811) also one for another John Rous which I need to check out as the date and details are very clear.
My theory of the Benhall Rous' is that they are connected to the Westleton branch, through Thomas bn. about 1725 and his wife Hannah, or through Thomas's brother John, who died quite young................a long time ago when I was first beginning this research I found something that suggested Thomas and Hannah brought up a nephew named John, but being very green and wet behind the ears I didn't . information!!! 

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question # 1
When you say "John Wink Rous married Martha Hurren nee Rouse"
do you mean she was born Rouse, married a Hurren and then amarried John Wink Rous?
Or do you mean she was born Hurren, married a Rouse and them married John Wink Rous?

More later: many thanks: great help!

[Suffolk Sue B]

Sorry, to clarify - Martha Rouse was the daughter of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day and bn. 1791 and sister to Thomas Rouse who married Lettice at Benhall in 1809. She married 1. Anthony Hurren and 2. John Wink Rouse. John Wink Rouse being her 1st cousin.
Martha died at Saxmundham iin 1833.

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So that's interestiung!
"My" Martha Rouse b 1791 Westleton of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day and who married Anthony Hurren on 27 July 1813 at Westleton
COULD BE
the selfsme lady who then (as Hurren) married John Wink Rous

Also you are saying a John Wink Rous married Sarah James at Brooke. Norfolk 4 July 1833.
But "my" Martha Rouse (Hurren) died in 1833!
A bit callous, eh - maybe another John Rous (with or without the Wink)

For the Westleton Rouses I have:
John + Mary m abt 1700
John + Mary m abt 1718 had
Mary 1718-1721
John 1719
Mary 1721
John 1725 m Faith Button abt 1750 and inherited Farm etc from Father John Westleton
Thomas 1727 inherited it too: He married Hannah abt 1750

Yes that Thomas DID have a brother John who DID die young, before the John who married Faith was born
Faith + John'd dau Elizabeth was born 1761 at Westleton.
All 9 of Thomas + Hannah children were born  at
Westletun but the very last (William b 1759 at Theberton
This established the Theberton Rouses but I am not sure when or how the Benhall ones came in.

I see that Thomas b 1784 Westleton married Lettia Rouse (chr 13 Mar 1787 Westleton) at Benhall on 20 June 1809 yet her children were both born at Westleton

Benhall is one mile from Saxmundham
Westleton is but 5 miles NE and Leiston 4 miles E
It is probably a matter of Parishes, Districts, record keeping etc

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Please explain how 1st cousins

[Suffolk Sue B]

Yes, that Martha Rous bn 1791 d/o Thomas Rous and Sarah (Day)  married to Anthony Hurren then to John Wink Rous.
Apologies there was a typo in the death date of Martha, she was in fact buried 5 December 1924 at Westleton, aged 33.............hence the typo! For some reason John Wink and  his son John settled in Brooke Norfolk sometime after the death of Martha - see 1841 and 1851 census for Brooke, Norfolk.

John Rous was married to Mary Curdy before he married Faith Button. It is from his first marriage I suspect there may have been a son (possibly a John) - but no proof so far. In John Rous Snr's will there are two farms, the one at Westleton left to his son John and the one at Theberton to Thomas, Johns brother. Somehow, after the early death of John both farms seem to move into the hands of his younger brother Thomas.

The first five of the children of Thomas Rous and his wife Hannah were baptised at Theberton, John 1754, Thomas 1756, Hannah 1757, William 1759 and English 1760.

I too haven't been able to establish how the family went to Benhall - I suspect from the John Rous (brother of Thomas) who died young.......but there seem either to be gaps in parish records or the family lived in another parish I have yet to find.

Lettice Rous who married one of the Thomas Rouses in 1809 I think was baptised in Benhall in 1786  d/o John Rous and Mary Crow. It is this John Rous and Mary I believe are buried in Benhall Churchyard. This John married Sarah Goose in 1813 at Woodbridge. Woodbridge being quite close to where the other Thomas Rouse of the 1809 double marriage was living.

I would presume that Thomas and Lettice settled in Westleton after their marriage as that was where Thomas had the farm. Although it seems that Lettice never really lost touch with Benhall, she was housekeeper to her mother in law there in 1851
with two granchildren staying with her and Sarah (Day).

Gosh, I've had to think while writing this - not having worked on the family for quite some time.
I see you also have an interest in the Free family...........another one of mine. I bought a document on ebay for this family and donated a copy of it the the RO, it lays out how the land and money around Middleton reached the Free family - best read with a clear head though 

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WOW - The FREE family: please send all you have, it is my main lot! I can't wait.
In Middleton alone I have 57 Frees (and 29 Rouses)

I am still confused by your "double marrieage of 1809"
I only have the 20 June one!
Now according to my tree this was between
Thomas Rose b 1784 Westleton, died there 1841 (Son of Thomas Rouse and Sarah Day)
+
LETTIA Rouse.
Now everything about my Lettia AGREES with your Lettice EXCEPT she is d/o William Rous b 1760 and Caroline Calver
In my notes on this Lettia your Lettice features:-
"A Lettice Rouse says in 1851  census "Born at Benhall" age 61
Lettice was witness at (her elder sister's) Mary Rous wedding to John Howard at Benhall on 18 Oct 1803

HO107/1802 f649 p19
Benhall
Sarah ROUS, hd, wid, 91, annuitant, bn Blythburgh
Lettice Rous, relative, widow, 61, housekeeper, bn Benhall
Louisa NOLLER, relative, 13, bn Middleton
Margaret Rous, relative, 5, bn Westleton

Lettice was living with William NOLLAR , aged 35, a butcher, and several others of the same surname in Middleton in 1841. HO107/1016/5 f4 p2.


Now"Witness at her aelder sister's wedding" - see above is a BIG CLUE.
It is POSSIBLE Lettia and lettice are not one and the same person!

But all that my notes say about such a wedding is:-
18 Oct 1803 at Benhall
a John? Howard
married
a Mary? Rous?
and they had dau
Caroline Howard b 1824 in Sternfield, Suffolk
who married Sternfield Rowe Freeman
and they had dau Betsy Freeman.
THIS BETSY FREEMAN links strongly with my Free Family!
She was born at Friston in 1848 and MARRIOED Simon Baker Hunt Free and produced NINE Free sons and a daughter to bolster my line!

My Frees go back to John Free +Joan Birle married 8 Oct 1560 Dallinghoo
and Joan's mother was probably a Rouse (maybe her name was Rouse Rouse)

[Suffolk Mawther]

Butting in with a thought 


Lettice is usually shortened to Lettie, I wonder if Lettia is a mistranscription for Lettie?

Pat ...

[Suffolk Sue B]

Thanks for the input..........as I expect you've gathered the Rouses can shorten anything to anything if they were in the mind and were sadly lacking in imagination when choosing names for their offspring. Never was there such an awkward family )