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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #27 on: Friday 17 August 12 08:22 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Agnes's death certificate would help however it will only give the number of female and male children - no names.

Mmmm  The R scow surname....I wonder why both Archibald and Frederick have the surname AYDON in their death registrations.  Frederick was always referred to Frederick AYDON in his role as theatre manager with his brother in law.

There are no ROSCOW or ROSCOE births with Agnes as a mother in NZ.

Oh for some certs ::) ;D

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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #28 on: Friday 17 August 12 10:14 BST (UK) »
It would appear that Archibald's life wasn't at all like his brothers.  He is referred to as Archibald AYDON, no ROSCOW.

Archibald’s bankruptcy 26 May 1885 - occupation journeyman bootmaker.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q44/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q46/

Files for Archibald on
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #29 on: Friday 17 August 12 19:17 BST (UK) »
I am not sure why the name 'ROSCOW' has been connected to either Archibald Alexander Aydon or his brother Frederick Aydon. Their parents were Philip Henry Aydon and Agnes Rosa Annie Smith and therefore their surname was Aydon.

Katie Rickard nee Roscow is the problem?

Never take as gospel all that is recorded in census records - (as Dr House would say "everyone is a liar")

(Her obit says "She was born in Roscoe, New Zealand")  posted by Dundee

Never heard of a place called 'Roscoe' in New Zealand?

When Agnes Aydon nee Smith died it is only her sons that are listed in the newspaper clipping of her death - no mention of Katie??

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18750724.2.9&srpos=1&e=--1875---1875--10--1----0%22aydon%22+--

The Rickards and the (Australia) Aydon's seem to be very close but can't find a birth in Nelson, NZ or Melbourne, Aus  for Katie/Kattie Aydon.  [Anyone find one I will give them ten pounds!  ;)]

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BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

Can we say for sure this is not an illegitimate birth?
Could this have been the reason for the end of the marrage between Agnes and Philip? And the reason she went to New Zealand?

Questions, questions.....

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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 18 August 12 01:14 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately not all births were registered and as both Debra and I have commented, Katie's marriage cert may provide more information.

Yes interesting there is no mention of Katie in Agnes's death notice previously linked by Sue,  but I bet the 'brothers' were more than willing to accept the bequest from Katie's estate ;) ;D  Of course information in death notices is not always correct just as information on death certs is not always accurate eg Agnes's age should have been 45 years not 40.    I have a number of death notices of my ancestors and not all the family were mentioned.

I don't know how anyone can research a family without purchasing a few certificates along the way....just my two bob's worth ;D

I assume you are aware you can purchase images of Victorian certs online and immediately download for AUD$20. You mentioned you had found an illegitimate birth previously....perhaps when you locate it in your papers you could post the info please.

Have you searched in NZ for Agnes and Archibald's arrival?  I was fortunate to find some of my OH's rellies arriving in NZ but no passenger records leaving Aus.

Hopefully some more info will be found about Philip H.

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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 18 August 12 06:27 BST (UK) »
The two news articles, one saying that Katie was born in Roscoe and the other saying her maiden name was Roscoe are a good example of how information can get muddled when it is passed on.

I was thinking that apart from the possibility that she was adopted, she was more likely to be Philip's daughter, but not Agnes's.  She clearly considered Frederick and Archibald to be her brothers.  I have also seen many death notices where only some of the deceased's children were mentioned.

I am also interested in the fact that Katie was very young when she travelled to England (if she was indeed born in NZ or Australia) and subsequently married. 

Well, about here I was going to say that the only mention that I can find of a Katie who was a trapeze artist is the ANGELL siblings in "Lottie's Royal Magnet Troupe", but it seems that they weren't siblings at all.....

Kate Rickards was born Kate Roscow, in Melbourne, and spent some of her childhood years in Nelson, New Zealand. At the age of eleven she was apprenticed to Lottie D’Aste and Victor Angell of Lottie’s Royal Magnet Troupe during their 1873 tour. As Katie Angell, she was promoted as ‘the youngest and most beautiful trapeze performer in the world’. In 1880 she married a British performer, Harry Rickards, at Chorlton in Manchester. The new Mrs Rickards took her husband’s birth name, Leete, as her stage name. The Rickards-Leete Combination toured Australasia in 1885-86, opening in Melbourne in Bric-a-Brac.

http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/imageservices/tag/katie-angell/

Fabulous photo.

Debra  :)

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« Reply #32 on: Saturday 18 August 12 06:56 BST (UK) »
Lottie's Troupe arrived in NZ in Jan 1873, and came back to Australia in July 1873 on the Hero.

Miss Lottie ANGELL
Miss Kate ANGELL
Mr Victor ANGELL
Mr Frank ANGELL

Katie's first performance with the Troupe was in October 1873 in Sydney.  This seems to indicate that they picked her up while touring NZ.

Lottie and her "cousin/brother" Victor were married at Ballarat in December 1873 - her name was Charlotte ARMSTRONG, his was Richard Swift POTTER.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18731213.2.18&srpos=8&e=01-01-1860-31-12-1880--10--1----0lottie+angell--

He accidentally drowned in 1874.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5866820?searchTerm=VICTOR%20ANGELL&searchLimits=l-decade=187

Debra  :)

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« Reply #33 on: Saturday 18 August 12 10:27 BST (UK) »
She was in Melbourne with the troupe in 1872.
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Re: Philip Henry AYDON
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 19 August 12 04:49 BST (UK) »
The friends of Frederick and Archibald ROSCOW are respectfully informed that the funeral of their late mother....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18750724.2.14.3&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2archibald+roscow--

I would suggest that the children used the name of Katie's father, Mr ROSCOW and were not known as AYDON until after their mother's death. 

Debra  :)

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« Reply #35 on: Sunday 19 August 12 05:09 BST (UK) »
Quote from: dksearch on Friday 17 August 12 19:17 BST (UK)

Re:
BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

Can we say for sure this is not an illegitimate birth?
Could this have been the reason for the end of the marrage between Agnes and Philip? And the reason she went to New Zealand?

Questions, questions.....


A copy of that birth cert should give enough details for the mother to be able to confirm whether this is your Agnes.  This child died in 1859 aged 1 month.

Debra  :)
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