MULDOON Family Drum Killah County Cavan Ireland

[~MERLIN~]

Compulsory civil registration began in 1856 prior to that registers were maintained by the churches.
Perhaps you might like to read the history of the NSW BDM : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_hst.html

Baptism:

Elizabeth HOADS
Born: 25 Dec 1852
Bap: 06 Mar 1853
Father: John
Mother: Bridget
Ref Number: V1852813 39A   
Parish: Church of England, CARCOAR

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/

[majicmiss]

Fantastic, thank you 

[majicmiss]

Have ordered her birth certificate today.

[majm]

Have ordered her birth certificate today.

Hi there,

Merlin has mentioned that civil registration did not commence until 1856 and provided you with a link supporting that.    That link mentions the Early Church Records, so the index reference that Merlin has provided is for the baptism of Elizabeth HOADS.    I would not anticipate that the document you are ordering will have much more information about that Elizabeth’s MUM (which you are hoping is Bridget Muldoon)  from the combined information that Merlin has supplied and the index itself, as it predates the commencement of civil birth registrations.   

Here is the family search organisation’s transcription links. 

John and Bridget HOADS listed as parents for Elizabeth.
Birth 25 December 1852  (notice, as per usual practices for that era, this does NOT give a place of birth, only a date of birth).
Baptised at Carcoar on 6 March 1853.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCG-ZT5
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXH-5VV

You will notice one has LESS information than the other.  So, one is likely a transcription of the original parish register and the other is likely the transcription of the secondary parish register.   So, likely BOTH those parish registers are still extant.   If that is the case, then likely there’s also a possible register including details of the local families.   I mention this because it seems that the family were Church of England (based on the info in the obituary for Mrs Hoad senior).    The Church of England in 19th century New South Wales kept a register of their local families for each parish.    You can see the images of all those parish registers held by Christ Church, from Hexham NSW online, free to search.   The live links are included in the NSW Resources section here at Rootschat. 

Here’s the link to that fantastic RChat Resources board:   http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0

Here’s the link from the NSW RChat Resources Board reply re the Christ Church Cathedral’s family register sheets:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/

That is the type of register I would expect the Carcoar Parish would have forwarded to their Diocese archives when it was 'full' .  The C of E at  Carcoar is part of the Bathurst diocese.   



Cheers,  JM

[majm]

....  For example  at a submitted tree re John HOAD and Elizabeth Bridget HOAD nee Muldoon

In the 1800 John & Elizabeth had the rising sun property which was the coach stop for Cob & Co Elizabeth ran it almost single handed while John was away carting goods from Sydney it was on his return when his horse & cart overturned at the Blue Mountains and his was killed his is buried in an unmarked grave on the side of the road. There are bullet holes in the coach house that can be found to this day from the bush ranger Ben Hall

Hi there,

Here's some further bits and pieces of information that helps sort out some of the urban myth factoids from that submitted tree.   Hope these bits and pieces will help advance the quest re the HOAD family, particularly John's wife Bridget  and help the historic research re Carcoar district along too.


http://www.carcoar.org/history_1.html

“It was during the 1860’s that bushrangers took an interest in Carcoar and surrounds. In 1863 Johnny Gilbert and John O’Meally, members of the Gardiner/Hall bushranging gang, attempted Australia’s first daylight bank robbery at the old Commercial Bank in Belubula Street. (this building still stands today as a private residence).”

And
http://www.smh.com.au/news/New-South-Wales/Carcoar/2005/02/17/1108500193253.html 
“In 1863, Johnny Gilbert and John O'Meally conducted Australia's first daylight bank robbery when they held up the Commercial Bank (still standing) but they fled empty-handed when a teller fired a shot into the bank ceiling to alert the town.”
…….
Along Belubula Street

“Old Commercial Bank
Next is a private residence called 'Daylesford'. It was originally built as a home. In the 1860s it was rented to the Commercial Bank. In 1863, the famous bushranger Johnny Gilbert, accompanied by John O'Meally, held up the bank. This robbery has the dubious distinction of being Australia's first daylight bank robbery. Unfortunately for Gilbert and O'Meally a brave teller grabbed a gun and fired a shot into the bank ceiling. The shot was heard around the town and the robbers fled empty-handed. Over the road is the former City Bank (1886), a three-storey red-brick building”

Old Commercial Bank’s street address is 11 Belubula St, Carcoar, (Dayleford House) as per Blayney Shire Council DCP No. 4 for Carcoar.
http://www.blayney.nsw.gov.au/development/control-plans/development-control-plans--dcp-s-
 
NSW Land & Property will have records of the land title deed holders past and present. 

 http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/parish_maps

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Back to the birth certificates - perhaps you might consider ordering one of the children's birth certs done after civil registration which JM reminds us began in 1856.

I think Emily has a registration number which shows a civil registration, however there's plenty to choose from!

Judith

[majm]

Hi there,

Re the death of John HOAD in 1878 and Bridget's birth surname (as McKenzie on her 1898 dc)

   May I ask what information is on John HOAD’s 1878 dc?  His wife was definitely still alive, and well, and raising his children in the extensive Carcoar district.

I am assuming that’s him as per the NSW BDM’s online index with ref #5167.  (So I am still working through some of the submitted tree info ..... ummm.... I am becoming a bit of a doubting JM....  Sorry.   BUT)     The actual record should give you confirmation of the cemetery, the cause of death, the Rev’d conducting the burial service, and of course the name of the informant and their relationship to the deceased, and the details of the marriage, and the children of the marriage.   So, it could well give you confirmation of the maiden name of the lass who married John HOAD.  If Bridget was the informant, then you would have first hand information about HER maiden name.     I am thinking that some of the children listed on the 1898 dc are perhaps HOAD, but perhaps are first cousins to John and Bridget HOAD's children.   NSW BDM index seems to have William HOAD as father to several with same names as on that 1898 dc.   

Cheers,  JM

 

[majicmiss]

Elizabeth Hoads baptism certificate arrived today, not sure how much help ist going to be though, very minimal information.

[majm]

Elizabeth Hoads baptism certificate arrived today, not sure how much help ist going to be though, very minimal information.

Yes, I think we had already suggested that the baptism certificate would not have a great deal of family history info.   Perhaps you can have a re-read of my post where I offer a suggestion that could help advance the quest : 

Have ordered her birth certificate today.

Merlin has mentioned that civil registration did not commence until 1856 and provided you with a link supporting that.    That link mentions the Early Church Records, so the index reference that Merlin has provided is for the baptism of Elizabeth HOADS.    I would not anticipate that the document you are ordering will have much more information about that Elizabeth’s MUM (which you are hoping is Bridget Muldoon)  from the combined information that Merlin has supplied and the index itself, as it predates the commencement of civil birth registrations.   
Here is the family search organisation’s transcription links. 
John and Bridget HOADS listed as parents for Elizabeth.
Birth 25 December 1852  (notice, as per usual practices for that era, this does NOT give a place of birth, only a date of birth).
Baptised at Carcoar on 6 March 1853.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCG-ZT5
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXH-5VV
You will notice one has LESS information than the other.  So, one is likely a transcription of the original parish register and the other is likely the transcription of the secondary parish register.   So, likely BOTH those parish registers are still extant.   If that is the case, then likely there’s also a possible register including details of the local families.   I mention this because it seems that the family were Church of England (based on the info in the obituary for Mrs Hoad senior).    The Church of England in 19th century New South Wales kept a register of their local families for each parish.    You can see the images of all those parish registers held by Christ Church, from Hexham NSW online, free to search.   The live links are included in the NSW Resources section here at Rootschat. 
Here’s the link to that fantastic RChat Resources board:   http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
Here’s the link from the NSW RChat Resources Board reply re the Christ Church Cathedral’s family register sheets:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/
That is the type of register I would expect the Carcoar Parish would have forwarded to their Diocese archives when it was 'full' .  The C of E at  Carcoar is part of the Bathurst diocese.   

http://www.bathurstanglican.org.au/   Please do remember that the Church registers are NOT public records, and so you need to ask for a volunteer to find the time to go to their achives and to search and find the relevant entries, perhaps in several registers, and you need to patiently wait for their response.    If you were to send your request by snail mail, enclosing a photocopy of the transcript you have posted here today, and to ask if there's any charges, (of course offering to pay these), you may find this can be helpful in requesting access.

Cheers,  JM