MULDOON Family Drum Killah County Cavan Ireland

[majicmiss]

Glasgow Scotland?? Well that's a new twist LOL

[judb]

Oh my - something's completely wrong somewhere!

The only thing now is to buy a transcription of a child's birth, or to find the original marriage register.

       Judith

[majm]

Well, I read it as Glasgow, Scotland.     I can be wrong, so please wait for others to check my quick transcription. 

To test the knowledge of the informant, perhaps you can check for the birth registrations of the named children of the marriage, and then determine how accurate was Jane's knowledge.   

I agree with Judith, and hopefully which ever birth transcription you order, it will be Bridget as informant as she should have the best info about herself. 

Fingers crossed,

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

I agree, JM - that's how I read it as well.  Judith

[majm]

Hi there,

It must be very difficult for you to research this family, especially when there's some others who are also researching and uploading info to their own online trees.    It saddens me to read some of the twaddle on some of these.   For example  at a submitted tree re John HOAD and Elizabeth Bridget HOAD nee Muldoon

In the 1800 John & Elizabeth had the rising sun property which was the coach stop for Cob & Co Elizabeth ran it almost single handed while John was away carting goods from Sydney it was on his return when his horse & cart overturned at the Blue Mountains and his was killed his is buried in an unmarked grave on the side of the road. There are bullet holes in the coach house that can be found to this day from the bush ranger Ben Hall

1. 1800 is  simply NOT possible.   It is about six decades too early for Cobb & Co in Central Western NSW (1850s in Vic). 
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/cobb-and-co
2. 1800 And more significantly,  Carcoar is WEST of the Blue Mountains.   The NSW Governor had not yet authorised Blaxland, Lawson and Wentworth to attempt to find a way across these.  (1813  )  and so, the district around Carcoar had not yet been explored and settled by 'white man'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1813_crossing_of_the_Blue_Mountains
3. 1800  Elizabeth was not yet born  as according to this same submitted tree she was born in 1835.  (this same tree has her death as 28 Oct 1898    ) 
4.  I was born and raised 'on the Lachlan' and studied my "local history" from my earliest days.  It has been a lifetime passion, so it saddens me that someone has mangled some history with some impossibles.  It makes it so difficult to get those brickwalls to develop any cracks.   So, may I please note that  James FLOOD was the publican for the Rising Sun (between Carcoar and Cowra) during the early to mid 1860s, and John and Elizabeth HOAD were not there during Ben Hall's activities outside the law.  (Ben Hall's bushranging years were 1863-1865) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hall_%28bushranger%29
5. John Hoad held the licence 1869-1870,  http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~surreal/NSWW/Hotels/publicans-licences-N-R.html
6. While it was definitely possible to drive a cart from Carcoar to Sydney and back via the Blue Mountains,  it was also possible to drive the cart to Bathurst to obtain stores.  This was a much shorter distance.
7. While it is entirely possible that a cart and horse could overturn on those 'roads' and so the driver sustain serious injury, it is also significant that NSW had laws regarding sudden deaths, and these needed to be reported to the police, and an inquest or at least an enquiry made as to the cause/s.  Yes, often a burial was 'on the side of the road'.  But the death, perhaps of an unknown male, should be recorded either in NSW Parliament's Votes and Proceedings or NSW BDM or Coroner's Indexes (NSW SRO). 
8. Trove may have further info re Ben Hall and Rising Sun, and/or Sudden Death of John due to cart overturning during trip across the Blue Mountains (during 1878 according to that submitted tree) 

So pleased that our OP has sought out RChatters to help, particularly when there's this mis-mashed twaddle that could be making hurdles for our OP to contact other researchers.

Cheers,  JM

[majicmiss]

I agree Judith with everything you said, I want to be as accurate as I possible can be given that she is our matriarch. I don't have Elizabeth Hoad's birth certificate but I will order it tonight. I do have her death certificate but that is also confusing because her mother is again listed as a McKenzie.

[majm]

NSW ER 1870 CARCOAR
HOAD
John, of Five mile Creek, freehold, Carcoar

McKENZIE
John, senior, of Junction, freehold at Tuena Creek
John, junior, of Junction, residence at Tuena Creek
William, of Meglow Creek, freehold, Meglow Creek
Kenneth, of Middle Creek, freehold, Near Croaker’s Creek
Duncan, Junction, residence, Junction Tuena Creek


NSW ER 1878 CARCOAR
HOAD
John, of Five mile Creek, freehold, Carcoar

McKENZIE
Thomas William of Coombing Creek, residence at Coombing Creek
Duncan, of Peelwood, freehold, Middle Creek
John, senior, of Junction, freehold at Tuena Creek
John, junior, of Flowerburn , freehold atAbercrombie
Kenneth, of Junction Point, freehold at Middle Creek
William, of Meglow Creek, freehold, Meglow Creek


NSW ER 1903 MACQUARIE
Polling at Carcoar
HOAD, Margaret, of Carcoar, domestic duties (NO others with that surname listed for that polling place)

Polling at Lyndhurst
AIKEN
Elizabeth, of Lyndhurst, domestic duries
Frederick John, of Hoadville, farmer
John of Hoadville, boundary rider
Joseph, of Hoadville, farmer

HOAD
Arthur, of Rising Sun, a farmer
Elizabeth, of Lyndhurst, domestic duties
George, of Rising Sun, a farmer
Margaret Jane, of Lyndhurst, domestic duties

  Noticed “Hoadville” and so I had a quick look through for others at that same address, and found NONE.
  Notised “Rising Sun” and so I had a quick look, and spotted Frederick MOORE of Rising Sun, a labourer
  NSW BDM has a marriage 1885 for a George HOAD and a Margaret J MOORE registered Carcoar district. (#4439)

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Just in case these are pointing to a possible origin of the "McKenzie" family connecting with Elizabeth Bridget Muldoon's early life in NSW.

John McKENZIE of Hobbys Yards DD 23 Feb 1889, Probate 12 Nov 1889
(others with that surname at Hobbys Yards on the Deceased Estates Indexes NSW SRO)

John McKENZIE, Bathurst Road, Kings Plains, District of Carcoar, 15 April 1856, Traveller’s Rest
John McKENZIE, Kings Plains, District of Carcoar, 15 April 1856, The Traveller’s Inn
John McKENZIE, The Travellers Rest, Kings Plains, District of Carcoar, 18 April 1854
John McKENZIE, The Traveller’s Rest, Kings Plains, District of Carcoar, 19 April 1853
(Publicans Licences Indexes NSW SRO)

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online

Cheers,  JM

[majicmiss]

I havent been able to find any record of Elizabeth Hoads birth, the only one listed is:

6807/1863     HOAD    ELIZABETH    WILLIAM    BRIDGET    CARCOAR

I had ordered that certificate last year thinking it might be our Elizabeth but it was for a 10 week old baby.

Ive tried different spelling Hoade , Hood, Heade  = Nothing.