MULDOON Family Drum Killah County Cavan Ireland

[majm]

Hi there,

May I just mention that the lass who arrived on the John KNOX seems to have been of the Church of Rome, while the lass who married at Carcoar was married by the local Anglican chap (Rev P P Agnew).    I would expect that the lass marrying at Carcoar was an Anglican.   

Land was granted by the NSW Governor in  1849 for a residence, a school, etc for the Roman Catholic Church at Carcoar.   

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12916782 SMH 29 March 1850

So, I think there needs to be some further research, to positively eliminate the INGRAM marriage of 1853 from the lass who arrived on the John Knox. 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Welcome hero12b 

That's a grand bit of research you are sharing there. 

May I add to the info re the 1852 marriage   

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCK-147   this gives the date as 27 Jan 1852 and is based on the transcript of the Church of England's parish register, most likely currently located at the C of E archives at Bathurst.   

The NSW BDM reference is V1852571 38C/1852 which is slightly different from

NSW/State Records/Index of Marriages - NSW BDM V18521531 3C/1852.

Cheers,  JM

Ummmm ......   I am not  brilliant ......     afterall, I still have not found the 1852 marriage from volume 3C line 1531  even though the new NSW BDM website allows searching by reference number.      

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTZN-5PV

15 Aug 1853, Catholic 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hmmm,  so we don't have documentary evidence that this is the girl whose parents are Patrick and Betty, from Cavan   
Do you have any of her children's birth certificates which may show where she was born? A

Hi there,

The NSW BDM's birth certs include the details of the marriage (where, when) for the parents of the baby whose birth is being registered    as well as where the parents were born, their then  ages, and more family history details too.     So, if you were to order a full official transcription for the youngest child, you will get the details about all that child's older siblings as well. 

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Too modest, JM 

I think you're right - ordering at least one of the children's birth certificate should do the trick, and, as you say, the youngest is probably the best one to choose although occasionally by the youngest the parents - dare I say, often the father - are a bit bored and just put something very unhelpful such as "Ireland" with no county, town, village etc.  I have one of these in my lot 

The other avenue would be to access the indenture papers mentioned in the Irish Orphan site.  I have no idea how you would go about that but perhaps compilers of that site would be able to help, so that we can sort these Bridgets out.

Just a small point - I note that the apprenticeship cited by the Orphan site was in the Bathurst district which is closer to Carcoar - Maitland is further away and would be well out of the Bathurst administrative district

Judith

[majm]

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102625364  Carcoar Chronicle 3 June 1898   
Mrs Hoad’s death at Marangulla (I know that there's a creek by that name that is near to Carcoar).   

However, I cannot find that on the NSW BDM index (to look for her given names, and her parents names too), and to complicate it further, there's a public tree at Ancestry (unsourced) which has the exact date of death as 28 October, 1898, aged 63, at Carcoar, and I cannot find that death indexed either  .   

I can find two families at Carcoar having babies in the 1850s/60s/70s with surname as HOAD and mum as BRIDGET (so two different fathers as William or as John, so two different lasses named Bridget)

I have been looking for Carcoar’s 1850s COX and VICKERY families in my offline records.    Perhaps I have found “the box” but need to have someone climb up and fetch it down from atop a wardrobe. 

As those indentures were returned 25 March 1851,  she would have needed to find work herself until she married the following year.


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

I have not found the NSW BDM registration for the 1898 deaths of either of the Mrs Hoad.  (I tried as Hood, Head, Hird, Hoad and as H???) So I have tried restricting my online search to Carcoar, 1898, and using the wild card asterisk option for the surname.  Sadly, I have yet to find either.   But as an aside, I can see where the local deputy Registrar for BDMs was fairly diligent, and submitted his returns on a quarterly basis (sometimes the rural deputies errr may have been a tad slow on lodging these returns to the Registrar General’s offices in Sydney.)  http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

Death registrations Carcoar District 1898
First Quarter registrations :1098/1898 to 1107/1898 inclusive  (includes a December 1897 death) 
Secord Quarter registrations: 5066/1898 to 5072/1898 incl
Third Quarter registrations: 9066/1898 to 9081/1898 incl
Fourth quarter registrations 13428/1898 to 13445/1898 incl
Registered early 1899, late 1898 deaths 1131/1899 to 1135/1899 incl


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

I have noticed that there’s both a John HOAD and a John HOOD in the then Carcoar district of the 1870s.   

Grevilles PO Directory 1872 LYNDHURST
John HOAD, innkeeper Frenchmans Reef

Grevilles PO Directory 1875 LYNDHURST (near Carcoar)
John HOAD, innkeeper, Cowra Road

NSW Electoral Roll 1878 CARCOAR
John HOAD, freehold, Five Mile Creek, Carcoar
John HOOD, residence, Blayney 

Cheers,  JM

[majicmiss]

This is all FANTASTIC WORK!! The youngest child was Eva Hoad so I can order her birth certificate and see what comes up.I noticed on Bridget's daughter Elizabeth death certificate Bridget is listed as a McKenzie? Are there any other certificates you think would be helpful in figuring out whether Bridget was an Irish orphan or not?
Jill