MULDOON Family Drum Killah County Cavan Ireland

[judb]

Ok.  Sometimes, in early days the names of the witnesses were not recorded on the information sent to the Govt registrar. Sometimes they are helpful in finding other relatives.

Were her parents listed as Patrick and Betty?

Judith

[majicmiss]

Yes Patrick and Betty were listed as parents.

[judb]

In that case I suggest that the Irish Famine Orphans site has attached the later details of Bridget to the wrong girl.

There was a Bridget MULDOON married a John INGRAM in 1853 in the Maitland area but I am 99.9% sure that she is quite a different person to your Bridget.  I think it is the information about this other Bridget that the Irish Orphan site has attached to your Bridget. This is the information I believe to be incorrect, although the indentures/apprenticeship may be correct)
indentures returned, 25 Mar 1851, apprenticed in Bathurst district; married John Thomas Ingram 15 Aug 1853; 15 children; died 1925 S-W Qld; many descendants on Ancestry.

There is documentary evidence that Bridget MULDOWN, parents Patrick and Betty, born Cavan, arrived on the John Knox.  The marriage certificate that you have states that Bridget MULDOON, parents Patrick and Betty, was married in Carcoar to John HOOD/HOAD.  These documents seem to me to be for the same person. 

Does the marriage certificate give her place of birth? Obviously if it's Cavan this is another indicator that your Bridget is the one who arrived per John Knox.

What do you think?

Judith

[majicmiss]

I think your absolutely right Judith I will email the Orphans website administrator with my documentation and see if they can change her details.
Thanks for all your help with this.

Jill

[judb]

I have enjoyed the hunt, Jill.

I haven't tried very hard but I haven't seen the arrival of the other Bridget, so have no idea if she was also an Irish Orphan girl.

Let me know what the Irish Orphan website says after you have passed on the info.

Cheers, Judith 

Do you have John HOOD/HOAD's background?

[majicmiss]

Hi Judith Happy New Year!
Yes I have all the information on the Hoads, interesting family. When I first started my tree I concentrated on the women, I couldn't even begin to imagine the hardships they would have come against on a daily basis.
So now Im moving on to those brick walls I have LOL

[majm]

Hi I do have a copy of the marriage certificate but no witnesses are listed which is odd. Thanks for all your searching 

Hi there,

Yes, that's odd not to have the names of the witnesses.    May I please ask a couple of questions about that copy that you hold.

  Is it issued by an official transcription agent? , and if so, is it a partial transcription (you can pay for particular parts of the document to be transcribed, and alternatively you can also pay for all of the document to be transcribed.)
  Is it the NSW BDM issued certificate? and, if so, is it a recent issue, or was it issued say back in the 1970s?   It is possible that the NSW BDM's practices in earlier decades did not include typing up the names of the witnesses.  (I have several NSW BDM issued documents from 1970s, for marriages prior to 1856, and NO witnesses noted on the NSW BDM issued certs, HOWEVER,  the witnesses names ARE on the NSW BDM holdings, and have been included on the NSW BDM typed up pre 1856 marriage certs for several decades.

There's other possibilities, but if you have a NSW BDM marriage cert (or official transcription) and there's no record of the witnesses on that document, it is likely that ordering a new transcription will give you the witness names.   That detail was recorded by the clergy when marrying couples in NSW from the commencement of settlement, and of course was a requirement of the laws and regulations of the various denominations, in the original parish register.   

It is entirely possible that the NSW BDM holdings do not have the original details, and perhaps only hold a summary. 

  Sorry for being so long winded, BUT from the marriage certificate you do have, it will give you the name of the clergyman, the denomination (according to the rites of ...........) and where the ceremony was conducted.   From that info you can seek out the original registration, and in many instances the original local parish registers are extant.

Cheers,  JM

[majicmiss]

Hi Judith,
              Went to my mums today and searched through all her documents and things, I found the certificate for Elizabeths marriage which I have attached (hopefully), I thought her parents were listed but they are not, it does however have the witness names.

[judb]

Hmmm,  so we don't have documentary evidence that this is the girl whose parents are Patrick and Betty, from Cavan   

Do you have any of her children's birth certificates which may show where she was born? Are her parents' names listed on her death certificate?

Majm is a brilliant researcher with encyclopedic knowledge when it comes to NSW early documents so I will be interested in any further comments from her, although she has already ade it clear that you will probably need to hunt down the original Carcoar church registers.

Judith

FamilySearch has the marriage listed on their database
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCK-147