Driscoll - Neil - Rineen, Castlehaven to Rotherhithe

[Sonas]

Sonas,
Our family story is that many were almost told to leave as it would be good for them .There wasn't anything else.  Of the boys my mother went to school with almost all were killed in the British Merchant Navy . If you were a girl you came to England to nurse and there would be no NHS in the UK without the Irish .Luckily my lot had their head above water and money coming from the States.
Have you lived in South west Cork?   West Cork was a very poor place even in the 1960s . :'(Over all the centuries the money came one way or another from the UK and later the States. Ireland's greatest export was and still is people. We spend our time searching the world for our lost families when they shouldn't have had to leave in the first place. All countries go through periods of horror but Ireland seems to have had more than its fair share. Tragically mainly caused by Britain.(In my opinion)
I continue to search for my missing great aunts and uncles and their families and thank God that I am still in touch with many who made those journeys.
I wish all who continue their search good luck.

Yes, that is where I am from. The reason I asked about why you emphasised people being 'advised' to leave is that you seemed to be mixing up the 1920s and 1930s in your earlier reply. Some men were 'advised' to leave during the 1920s, 'advised' being a euphemism for 'get out of here as you've annoyed someone and your life is in danger' but this had mostly passed by the 1930s.

[Sonas]

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[kezd]

I visited West Cork for the O'Driscoll clan reunion.  It is a beautiful part of the world even if it has been etched by a painful past.  I am one of those people whose family left and trying to find my 'way home'.  I have made connections via dna testing to a number of people in the USA although mine went to London. I am yet to nail down a family member in West Cork, but am getting closer with my research.  One of the USA links tracks back to a Michael Driscoll b about 1793 and wife Helena (Ellen) Fitzgerald born abt 1800 both recorded as being from Baltimore. Somehow my John (b 1834 ish) was related to these people. Another as yet separate link was through a Dennis Driscoll and Mary (b abt 1796) who emigrated to the USA, and had 2 children (recorded) called Mary (abt 1820)(who married Michael McCarthy), and also a James (born about 1816) - they ended up in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Possibly Michael and Dennis were brothers. These families left around the time of the famine, or earlier. 
So, at least I have some record of a link to Baltimore with one member of the family, and I know my John was living in Rineen between 1857 and 1864 when he left for London.  His mother may have been a Hayes, possibly a Mary given naming patterns.  I have a strong Hayes dna profile. I would very much like to find this next generation, and any remaining living family connections. Then I might truly feel like I have brought the family home.

[kezd]

Oh, and that above link was referring back to the incident in the 1860's written about before.  Does anyone have an info about Limerick or Limrick?  I think this is the same person, both Magistrate and Landlord (Skibbereen barony), but I don't have proof of that.
Also, my John turned up in Rotherhithe and there are a lot of Driscoll's there.  I suspect a few were related as naming patterns were very similar.  Again, I cannot find proof.

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Sonas,
Exactly ,many involved in the 20s left but after that there was still no work and ,to be honest, apart from The Celtic Tiger Years there never was or never will be .And again (my opinion) the Celtic Tiger years were a disaster.
Have you read the reports sent to the English press on the Famine Years or some of The British Governments ideas on Ireland in the 1800s....it makes interesting but frightening reading ! All through their history other countries have been their downfall. I am Welsh/English/Irish and reading about how the English treated people is no better!
My Irish Grandfather was beaten in school for speaking Gaelic and family emigrated to the States,my Welsh family also went to the States but returned after fifteen years,my English family remained to doff their cap to their elders and betters!
Where ever our ancestors were from many were badly treated. In finding their history may that bring them a little dignity and perhaps stop some of these dreadful acts happening again.

Sorry all, this has rather gone off topic but does refer to the people past and present of Union Hall,Myross, Rineen ,Castlehaven and Skibbereen.

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Kezd,
There were Driscolls living in Union Hall which is over the hill from Rineen. Can't give you naming pattern as they are still alive! Check the 1911 census and Castlehaven births and may give you the generation before. good luck!

[penmill]

I will make the assumption that John Limerick, and John Limrick, are the same person ().  John Limrick was the Magistrate of Union Hall.
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Can anyone confirm that Limerick (the landlord) and Limrick are the same person?

Kezd,

Yes they are both one and the same person. My great grandfather was Dr. William Limrick (1812-69) of Union Hall who was the elder brother to John Limrick (1813-1890) who was both a magistrate and JP as well as being a wealthy landowner in West Cork (esp. in Schull).

Their father Col. William Somerville Limrick made his fortune while serving in the army of the East India Company with which he built his large house in Union Hall. He had at least six children but never married!

Col W S Limrick was a grandchild of Rev Paul Limrick who was vicar/rector (CoIreland) of Schull 1720-1755. Rev Paul's eldest son Robert married a catholic (Until 1792, penal laws did not allow mixed marriages in Ireland). Robert's probable descendants lived in or near Schull, one of whom is known to have married a Driscoll (Peg (Margaret) Limerick married Mick Driscoll in the parish of East Schull in 1817).

John Limrick seems to have inherited the bulk of his father's estate which passed to his daughter Lucy who married Col. William Fitzhenry Spaight. They were subsequently burnt out of their large house in Union Hall during the troubles (and came to England!).

The name Limrick is often misspelled as Limerick (or Limbrick) even today as I well know.

Regards

Brian Limrick

[kezd]

 
Thank you for that Brian.  Most interesting family history you have, and at a very interesting time in history.
Kerry

[Sonas]

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Kezd,

Yes they are both one and the same person. My great grandfather was Dr. William Limrick (1812-69) of Union Hall who was the elder brother to John Limrick (1813-1890) who was both a magistrate and JP as well as being a wealthy landowner in West Cork (esp. in Schull).

Their father Col. William Somerville Limrick made his fortune while serving in the army of the East India Company with which he built his large house in Union Hall. He had at least six children but never married!

Col W S Limrick was a grandchild of Rev Paul Limrick who was vicar/rector (CoIreland) of Schull 1720-1755. Rev Paul's eldest son Robert married a catholic (Until 1792, penal laws did not allow mixed marriages in Ireland). Robert's probable descendants lived in or near Schull, one of whom is known to have married a Driscoll (Peg (Margaret) Limerick married Mick Driscoll in the parish of East Schull in 1817).

John Limrick seems to have inherited the bulk of his father's estate which passed to his daughter Lucy who married Col. William Fitzhenry Spaight. They were subsequently burnt out of their large house in Union Hall during the troubles (and came to England!).

The name Limrick is often misspelled as Limerick (or Limbrick) even today as I well know.

Regards

Brian Limrick
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Hi Brian, would you know if there are any maps or other records for the lands the Limricks owned around Union Hall? Thanks.